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A man serving a sentence for murder has been “mistakenly released” from prison.

Police are searching for 44-year-old Steven Robbins who was serving a sentence in the Indiana Dept of Corrections for murder.

According to a statement released from the Cook County Sheriff’s Dept, an investigation into the circumstances regarding Robbins’s release has been ordered.


Robbins was shipped to Chicago for a circuit court hearing on two drug charges on Tuesday. The charges were dropped and when they were, instead of being returned to Indiana to serve the rest of his 50 year sentence for murder, Cook County officials let him go.

“I can’t answer why he was released in the Chicago area. I don’t know. All I know is that inadvertently he was released from jail without being returned to Indiana,” said the Indiana Department of Corrections.



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Interesting the Chicago has such a crime problem with all of their anti-gun laws. And then they go & make it even harder by just letting criminals go. I think it was also Chicago where late last year 2 guys broke out of prison for about a month or 2. I also thought it interesting at the time that the news reports were saying that the 2 escapees were considered armed & dangerous. So how do two escaped convicts obtain firearms in a heavily gun-controlled city????

TexasCajun wrote:Interesting the Chicago has such a crime problem with all of their anti-gun laws. And then they go & make it even harder by just letting criminals go. I think it was also Chicago where late last year 2 guys broke out of prison for about a month or 2. I also thought it interesting at the time that the news reports were saying that the 2 escapees were considered armed & dangerous. So how do two escaped convicts obtain firearms in a heavily gun-controlled city????

The Maryland state police comandant says they went to ohio and bought them at a gun show then brought them back to cook county

TexasCajun wrote:Interesting the Chicago has such a crime problem with all of their anti-gun laws. And then they go & make it even harder by just letting criminals go. I think it was also Chicago where late last year 2 guys broke out of prison for about a month or 2. I also thought it interesting at the time that the news reports were saying that the 2 escapees were considered armed & dangerous. So how do two escaped convicts obtain firearms in a heavily gun-controlled city????

Here is an interesting article
http://theweek.com/article/index/239565 ... rol-failed

Talking about control

Some law-enforcement experts in Chicago aren't impressed by that logic because, they say, Chicago's gun laws aren't as tight as many people think since the penalties for violating them are pretty lax. A common sentence for gun possession, if the offender has no other felonies, is a year in prison. In practice, the person might get out after six months, which is not much of a deterrent to a seasoned criminal. "Chicago may have comprehensive gun laws," Garry F. McCarthy, Chicago police superintendent, tells The New York Times, "but they are not strict because the sanctions don't exist."

That is echoed in NYC
http://sentencing.typepad.com/sentencin ... entencing/

In 2011, the latest year for which sentencing statistics are available, fewer than half the defendants who had been arrested for illegal possession of a loaded gun in New York City received a state prison sentence, according to an analysis of criminal justice statistics by the mayor’s office. In the Bronx, as few as 31 percent were imprisoned. In Brooklyn the rate was 41 percent; in Staten Island it was 47 percent; in Manhattan it was 68 percent; and in Queens it was 76 percent.

One of the interesting questions is:
If MS is the source of 400 guns for Chicago (from the article), how come MS doesn't have a similar crime wave? While there are no cities the size of Chicago there, MS should have more issues with the availability of guns than the ones that are transported back to Chicago - but they don't.

its the same idea, when Cruz asked the comandant of the maryland state police why baltimore had a higher crime rate than austin texas citing the maryland laws that all but make it illegal to have a gun in baltimore and the number of guns in austin is not restricted, the comandant said well umm they go to places like PA. and virginia and buy guns at gun show illegally and bring them back to baltimore. its all a bunch of horse pucky, the idea is to subjugate the populace and make it illegal to defend yourself against crime, then we will have the utopia that great britain has and like the other civilized european contries. but the problem is that the european experiment hasn't and never will work, the criminals don't care about the law unless it benefits them and gives them safe working conditions, but too many leagal dweebles can't see this because of the sunshine comming from BO and other "important" politicos or possibly themselves. so I would love to give them the utopia they so desire that they ignore the facts the same as they ignore its not really sunshine but the 1000 watt halogen lamp they are being brainwahed with, but alas that place doesn't exist anywhere on earth or anyplace humans exist

This is a despicable example of what we're facing in this battle for our Second Amendment rights. Honest, law-abiding citizens are being threatened with stringent gun control, while one of the cities with the most gun violence--and that has some of the most restrictive gun laws in the nation--simply lets a convicted murderer walk away and go out into the general population.

Factoid: The UK has a complete gun ban. Heck they've even tried to ban knives. Is that workin' for them?

Not hardly. The European Union report for 2011 places the UK at number one for violent crime: 2,034 violent crimes per 100,000 in population.

In the United States, firearm ownership is at an all-time high, and the number of violent crimes is at its lowest in decades. Coincidence?

In 2011, the FBI reported that the U.S. had 466 violent crimes per 100,000 in population.

Color me confused. Stringent gun control equals 436% more violent crime. In what world does this make sense?

Let us hope that convicted murderer Steven Robbins is promptly arrested.

Let us also hope that the Congress will not let the United States of America lapse into the United Kingdom.

Here is an interesting article
http://theweek.com/article/index/239565 ... rol-failed

Talking about control

Some law-enforcement experts in Chicago aren't impressed by that logic because, they say, Chicago's gun laws aren't as tight as many people think since the penalties for violating them are pretty lax. A common sentence for gun possession, if the offender has no other felonies, is a year in prison. In practice, the person might get out after six months, which is not much of a deterrent to a seasoned criminal. "Chicago may have comprehensive gun laws," Garry F. McCarthy, Chicago police superintendent, tells The New York Times, "but they are not strict because the sanctions don't exist."

That is echoed in NYC
http://sentencing.typepad.com/sentencin ... entencing/

In 2011, the latest year for which sentencing statistics are available, fewer than half the defendants who had been arrested for illegal possession of a loaded gun in New York City received a state prison sentence, according to an analysis of criminal justice statistics by the mayor’s office. In the Bronx, as few as 31 percent were imprisoned. In Brooklyn the rate was 41 percent; in Staten Island it was 47 percent; in Manhattan it was 68 percent; and in Queens it was 76 percent.

One of the interesting questions is:
If MS is the source of 400 guns for Chicago (from the article), how come MS doesn't have a similar crime wave? While there are no cities the size of Chicago there, MS should have more issues with the availability of guns than the ones that are transported back to Chicago - but they don't.

The 'lax' penalties that they're citing are for stand alone charges. Often, gun charges are used as add-on to increase sentence length. The number of cases where only a firearms charge is prosecuted has to be pretty low, lending to a low average sentence length. So to say that NY & Chicago only look like they have strict gun laws but in actuality don't is complete bunk. I will, however agree that the penalties (whatever they may actually be) are not deterrents. Criminals simply do not care about any laws. And as our freshman Senator countered this week, if the criminals are getting guns from less gun-controlled areas & bringing them into highly gun-controlled areas why is there such a huge disparity of crime rate? Because gun-control does not reduce crime.

felon with a gun and committing
his first offense minimum 10yr to life or capital as usual.
his second gun-related crime, 20yr to life or capital as usual.
his third, lock him up and lose the key.
No parole, hard time only.

Back in custody according to Fox News.

TexasCajun wrote: The 'lax' penalties that they're citing are for stand alone charges. Often, gun charges are used as add-on to increase sentence length. The number of cases where only a firearms charge is prosecuted has to be pretty low, lending to a low average sentence length. So to say that NY & Chicago only look like they have strict gun laws but in actuality don't is complete bunk. I will, however agree that the penalties (whatever they may actually be) are not deterrents. Criminals simply do not care about any laws. And as our freshman Senator countered this week, if the criminals are getting guns from less gun-controlled areas & bringing them into highly gun-controlled areas why is there such a huge disparity of crime rate? Because gun-control does not reduce crime.

The point is that their firearms laws are NOT applied. I don't have the information but I suspect that the same policy goes for other crimes as well. Let's take an example.

NYC LEOs are pursuing a "stop and frisk" policy. Do you believe that every person identified under that policy is given the sentence described in the link provided? Of course not. The already overcrowded jails would be wildly overflowing. If you go to NYC and are found to have a firearm, guess what is going to happen. They have already "made examples of" people who were trying to comply with law and had no criminal intent. The good Mayor of NY will universally apply the law to otherwise law abiding NYC residents who are found in violation of the new gun bans, too.

Think I'm wrong? How about this?
http://www.chicagomag.com/Chicago-Magaz ... -Alliance/

Edit: I agree that gun charges are most often used as add on charges. All too often the total time to be served is also significantly reduced which is why recidivists are back in court facing new charges before their origin sentences would have been up. The gun "add on" becomes meaningless. By contrast, the NY gun ban will make criminals of citizens who HAVE DONE NOTHING ELSE WRONG. Why is it an add on for a criminal and a singular prosecution for an otherwise law abiding citizen?
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http://p.washingtontimes.com/blog/guns/ ... me-over-g/

The murder rate in Baltimore has gone down. It used to be murder capital.
This is not because crime has decreased. But because life saving technologies in emergency rooms have made big advancements!