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JJVP wrote:That is according to "journalist" Sam Pollak. Great news, now we don't have to worry anymore, NOT.

http://thedailystar.com/sampollak/x1525 ... edir=false" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

"A gun-control movement worthy of the name would insist that
President Clinton move beyond his proposals for controls ... and
immediately call on Congress to pass far-reaching industry regulation
like the Firearms Safety and Consumer Protection Act ... [which] would
give the Treasury Department health and safety authority over the gun
industry, and any rational regulator with that authority would ban handguns."
Josh Sugarmann (executive director of the Violence Policy Center)

"My
view of guns is simple. I hate guns and I cannot imagine why anyone
would want to own one. If I had my way, guns for sport would be
registered, and all other guns would be banned."
Deborah Prothrow-Stith (Dean of Harvard School of Public Health)

"I
don't care if you want to hunt, I don't care if you think it's your
right. I say 'Sorry.' it's 1999. We have had enough as a nation. You are
not allowed to own a gun, and if you do own a gun I think you should go to prison."
Rosie O'Donnell (At about the time she said this, Rosie engaged the services of a bodyguard who applied for a gun permit.)

“Confiscation could be an option. Mandatory sale to the state could be an option. Permitting could be an option — keep your gun but permit it.”
Andrew Cuomo

"I do not believe in people owning guns. Guns should be owned only by [the] police and military. I am going to do everything I can to disarm this state."
Michael Dukakis

"If someone is so fearful that they are going to start using their weapons to protect their rights, it makes me very nervous that these people have weapons at all."
U.S. Rep. Henry Waxman

"In
fact, the assault weapons ban will have no significant effect either on
the crime rate or on personal security. Nonetheless, it is a good idea
... Passing a law like the assault weapons ban is a symbolic - purely
symbolic - move in that direction. Its only real justification is not to
reduce crime but to desensitize the public to the regulation of weapons in preparation for theirultimate confiscation."
Charles Krauthammer, columnist, 4/5/96 Washington Post

"Ban the damn things. Ban them all. You want protection? Get a dog."
Molly Ivins, columnist, 7/19/94

"[To
get a] permit to own a firearm, that person should undergo an
exhaustive criminal background check. In addition, an applicant should
give up his right to privacy and submit his medical records for review
to see if the person has ever had a problem with alcohol, drugs or
mental illness . . . The Constitution doesn't count!"
John
Silber, former chancellor of Boston University and candidate for
Governor of Massachusetts. Speech before the Quequechan Club of Fall
River, MA. August 16, 1990

"I think you have to do it a step at a
time and I think that is what the NRA is most concerned about. Is that
it will happen one very small step at a time so that by the time, um,
people have woken up, quote, to what's happened, it's gone farther than
what they feel the consensus of American citizens would be. But it does
have to go one step at a time and the banning of semiassault military
weapons that are military weapons, not household weapons, is the first step."
Mayor Barbara Fass, Stockton, CA

"Handguns should be outlawed.
Our organization will probably take this stand in time but we are not
anxious to rouse the opposition before we get the other legislation
passed."
Elliot Corbett, Secretary, National Council For A
Responsible Firearms Policy (interview appeared in the Washington
Evening Star on September 19, 1969)

"Banning guns addresses a fundamental right of all Americans to feel safe."
Senator Diane Feinstein, 1993

"If I could have gotten 51 votes in the Senate of the United States for an
outright ban, picking up every one of them... 'Mr. and Mrs. America,
turn 'em all in, I would have done it. I could not do that. The votes weren't here."
U.S. Senator Diane Feinstein (D-CA) CBS-TV's "60 Minutes," 2/5/95

"Banning guns is an idea whose time has come."
U.S. Senator Joseph Biden, 11/18/93, Associated Press interview

"Yes, I'm for an outright ban (on handguns)."
Pete Shields, Chairman emeritus, Handgun Control, Inc., during a 60 Minutes
interview.

"We must be able to arrest people before they commit crimes. By registering guns and knowing who has them we can do that. If they have guns they are pretty likely to commit a crime."
Vermont State Senator Mary Ann Carlson

"I am one who believes that as a first step, the
United States should move expeditiously to disarm the civilian
population, other than police and security officers, of all handguns,
pistols, and revolvers... No one should have the right to anonymous ownership or use of a gun."
Professor Dean Morris, Director of Law Enforcement Assistance Administration, stated to the U.S. Congress

"I feel very strongly about it [the Brady Bill]. I think - I also
associate myself with the other remarks of the Attorney General. I think it's the beginning. It's not the end of the process by any means."
William J. Clinton, 8/11/93

"The Brady Bill is the minimum step Congress should take...we need much stricter gun control, and eventually should bar the ownership of handguns, except in a few cases."
U.S. Representative William Clay, quoted in the St. Louis Post Dispatch on May 6,
1991.

"I don't believe gun owners have rights."
Sarah Brady, Hearst Newspapers Special Report "Handguns in America", October
1997

"We must get rid of all the guns."
Sarah Brady, speaking on behalf of HCI with Sheriff Jay Printz & others on "The Phil
Donahue Show" September 1994

"The House passage of our bill is a victory for this country! Common sense wins out. I'm just so thrilled and excited. The sale of guns must stop. Halfway measures are not enough."
Sarah Brady 7/1/88

"I don't care about crime, I just want to get the guns."
Senator Howard Metzenbaum, 1994

"We're here to tell the NRA their nightmare is true..."
U.S. Representative Charles Schumer, quoted on NBC, 11/30/93

"My bill ... establishes a 6-month grace period for the turning in of all handguns."
U.S. Representative Major Owens, Congressional Record, 11/10/93

"We're going to have to take one step at a time, and the first step is necessarily, given political realities, going to be very modest.
Our ultimate goal, total control of handguns in the United States, is
going to take time. The first problem is to slow down the increasing
number of handguns in this country. The second problem is to get
handguns registered, and the final problem is to make the possession of all handguns, and all handgun ammunition illegal."
Nelson T. Shields of Hangun Control, Inc. as quoted in `New Yorker' magazine July 26, 1976. Page 53f

"Our goal is to not allow anybody to buy a handgun.
In the meantime, we think there ought to be strict licensing and
regulation. Ultimately, that may mean it would require court approval to
buy a handgun."
President of the Coalition to Stop Gun Violence Michael K. Beard, Washington Times
12/6/93 p.A1

"Waiting periods are only a step. Registration is only a step. The prohibition of private firearms is the goal."
U.S. Attorney General Janet Reno, December 1993

"The sale, manufacture, and possession of handguns ought to be banned...We do not believe the 2nd Amendment guarantees an individual the right to keep them."
The Washington Post - "Legal Guns Kill Too" - November 5, 1999

"There is no reason for anyone in the country, for anyone except a police
officer or a military person, to buy, to own, to have, to use, a
handgun. The only way to control handgun use in this country is to prohibit the guns. And the only way to do that is to Change the Constitution."
USA Today - Michael Gartner - Former president of NBC News - "Glut of Guns: What Can We Do About Them?" - January 16, 1992

"I would personally just say to those who are listening, maybe you want to turn in your guns," Representative Sheila Jackson Lee, 2012

"
4. Any person who, prior to the effective date of this law, was legally
in possession of an assault weapon or large capacity magazine shall have ninety days from such effective date to do any of the following without being subject to prosecution:
(1) Remove the assault weapon or large capacity magazine from the state of Missouri;
(2) Render the assault weapon permanently inoperable; or
(3) Surrender the assault weapon or large capacity magazine to the appropriate law enforcement agency for destruction, subject to specific agency regulations."
Legislation introduced in Missouri. And you can repeat the exact same thing for Minnesota

"Since assault weapons are not a major contributor to US gun homicide and the
existing stock of guns is large, an assault weapon ban is unlikely to
have an impact on gun violence. If coupled with a gun buyback and no exemptions then it could be effective." NIJ Memo on a new "Assault Weapon" Ban.

gigag04 wrote:Can some one fact check these quote from the comments:

"A gun-control movement worthy of the name would insist that
President Clinton move beyond his proposals for controls ... and
immediately call on Congress to pass far-reaching industry regulation
like the Firearms Safety and Consumer Protection Act ... [which] would
give the Treasury Department health and safety authority over the gun
industry, and any rational regulator with that authority would ban handguns."
Josh Sugarmann (executive director of the Violence Policy Center)
"Laws can't stop bullets" NY Times 11/04/99, reprint Houston Chronicle 11/5/99

"Myview of guns is simple. I hate guns and I cannot imagine why anyone
would want to own one. If I had my way, guns for sport would be
registered, and all other guns would be banned."
Deborah Prothrow-Stith (Dean of Harvard School of Public Health)
no citation/attribution

"Idon't care if you want to hunt, I don't care if you think it's your
right. I say 'Sorry.' it's 1999. We have had enough as a nation. You are
not allowed to own a gun, and if you do own a gun I think you should go to prison."
Rosie O'Donnell (At about the time she said this, Rosie engaged the services of a bodyguard who applied for a gun permit.)
Rosie O'Donell Show 4/21/99

“Confiscation could be an option. Mandatory sale to the state could be an option. Permitting could be an option — keep your gun but permit it.”
Andrew Cuomo
WGDJ-AM interview 12/21/12

"I do not believe in people owning guns. Guns should be owned only by [the] police and military. I am going to do everything I can to disarm this state."
Michael Dukakis
Conversation with Mike Yacimo(MA Gun Owners Action League) and Roy Innis(Congress Of Racial Equality) 6/16/86

"If someone is so fearful that they are going to start using their weapons to protect their rights, it makes me very nervous that these people have weapons at all."
U.S. Rep. Henry Waxman
no citation/attribution

"In fact, the assault weapons ban will have no significant effect either on
the crime rate or on personal security. Nonetheless, it is a good idea
... Passing a law like the assault weapons ban is a symbolic - purely
symbolic - move in that direction. Its only real justification is not to
reduce crime but to desensitize the public to the regulation of weapons in preparation for theirultimate confiscation."
Charles Krauthammer, columnist, 4/5/96 Washington Post
"Disarm the citizenry, but not yet" page A-19

"Ban the darn things. Ban them all. You want protection? Get a dog."
Molly Ivins, columnist, 7/19/94
Fort Worth Star- Telegram, Austin correspondent

"[To get a] permit to own a firearm, that person should undergo an
exhaustive criminal background check. In addition, an applicant should
give up his right to privacy and submit his medical records for review
to see if the person has ever had a problem with alcohol, drugs or
mental illness . . . The Constitution doesn't count!"
JohnSilber, former chancellor of Boston University and candidate for
Governor of Massachusetts. Speech before the Quequechan Club of Fall
River, MA. August 16, 1990
ibid

"I think you have to do it a step at a
time and I think that is what the NRA is most concerned about. Is that
it will happen one very small step at a time so that by the time, um,
people have woken up, quote, to what's happened, it's gone farther than
what they feel the consensus of American citizens would be. But it does
have to go one step at a time and the banning of semiassault military
weapons that are military weapons, not household weapons, is the first step."
Mayor Barbara Fass, Stockton, CA
ABC News Special Report with Peter Jennings "Guns" 4/11/91

"Handguns should be outlawed.
Our organization will probably take this stand in time but we are not
anxious to rouse the opposition before we get the other legislation
passed."
Elliot Corbett, Secretary, National Council For A
Responsible Firearms Policy (interview appeared in the Washington
Evening Star on September 19, 1969)
ibid

"Banning guns addresses a fundamental right of all Americans to feel safe."
Senator Diane Feinstein, 1993
AP wire story 11/18/93

"If I could have gotten 51 votes in the Senate of the United States for an
outright ban, picking up every one of them... 'Mr. and Mrs. America,
turn 'em all in, I would have done it. I could not do that. The votes weren't here."
U.S. Senator Diane Feinstein (D-CA) CBS-TV's "60 Minutes," 2/5/95
ibid

"Banning guns is an idea whose time has come."
U.S. Senator Joseph Biden, 11/18/93, Associated Press interview
ibid

"Yes, I'm for an outright ban (on handguns)."
Pete Shields, Chairman emeritus, Handgun Control, Inc., during a 60 Minutes
interview.
60 Minutes "Guns II" 9/25/77

"We must be able to arrest people before they commit crimes. By registering guns and knowing who has them we can do that. If they have guns they are pretty likely to commit a crime."
Vermont State Senator Mary Ann Carlson
VT Senate Floor "AWB" legislation introduction/debate 1994

"I am one who believes that as a first step, the
United States should move expeditiously to disarm the civilian
population, other than police and security officers, of all handguns,
pistols, and revolvers... No one should have the right to anonymous ownership or use of a gun."
Professor Dean Morris, Director of Law Enforcement Assistance Administration, stated to the U.S. Congress
No citation/attribution

"I feel very strongly about it [the Brady Bill]. I think - I also
associate myself with the other remarks of the Attorney General. I think it's the beginning. It's not the end of the process by any means."
William J. Clinton, 8/11/93
"Rose Garden Comments" 8/11/93 s, Clinton Presidential Library

"The Brady Bill is the minimum step Congress should take...we need much stricter gun control, and eventually should bar the ownership of handguns, except in a few cases."
U.S. Representative William Clay, quoted in the St. Louis Post Dispatch on May 6,1991.
ibid

"I don't believe gun owners have rights."
Sarah Brady, Hearst Newspapers Special Report "Handguns in America", October1997
ibid

"We must get rid of all the guns."
Sarah Brady, speaking on behalf of HCI with Sheriff Jay Printz & others on "The Phil
Donahue Show" September 1994
ibid

"The House passage of our bill is a victory for this country! Common sense wins out. I'm just so thrilled and excited. The sale of guns must stop. Halfway measures are not enough."
Sarah Brady 7/1/88
No citation/attribution

"I don't care about crime, I just want to get the guns."
Senator Howard Metzenbaum, 1994
Statement to press after introduction of SB 1878 2/28/94

"We're here to tell the NRA their nightmare is true..."
U.S. Representative Charles Schumer, quoted on NBC, 11/30/93
ibid "Nightly News"

"My bill ... establishes a 6-month grace period for the turning in of all handguns."
U.S. Representative Major Owens, Congressional Record, 11/10/93
ibid 139th Congress

"We're going to have to take one step at a time, and the first step is necessarily, given political realities, going to be very modest.
Our ultimate goal, total control of handguns in the United States, is
going to take time. The first problem is to slow down the increasing
number of handguns in this country. The second problem is to get
handguns registered, and the final problem is to make the possession of all handguns, and all handgun ammunition illegal."
Nelson T. Shields of Hangun Control, Inc. as quoted in `New Yorker' magazine July 26, 1976. Page 53f
ibid

"Our goal is to not allow anybody to buy a handgun.
In the meantime, we think there ought to be strict licensing and
regulation. Ultimately, that may mean it would require court approval to
buy a handgun."
President of the Coalition to Stop Gun Violence Michael K. Beard, Washington Times
12/6/93 p.A1
ibid

"Waiting periods are only a step. Registration is only a step. The prohibition of private firearms is the goal."
U.S. Attorney General Janet Reno, December 1993
No citation/attribution

"The sale, manufacture, and possession of handguns ought to be banned...We do not believe the 2nd Amendment guarantees an individual the right to keep them."
The Washington Post - "Legal Guns Kill Too" - November 5, 1999
ibid

"There is no reason for anyone in the country, for anyone except a police
officer or a military person, to buy, to own, to have, to use, a
handgun. The only way to control handgun use in this country is to prohibit the guns. And the only way to do that is to Change the Constitution."
USA Today - Michael Gartner - Former president of NBC News - "Glut of Guns: What Can We Do About Them?" - January 16, 1992
ibid

"I would personally just say to those who are listening, maybe you want to turn in your guns," Representative Sheila Jackson Lee, 2012
Because she likes being on TV
[youtube]http://youtube.com/watch?v=wKKeEbA-clc[/youtube]

"
4. Any person who, prior to the effective date of this law, was legally
in possession of an assault weapon or large capacity magazine shall have ninety days from such effective date to do any of the following without being subject to prosecution:
(1) Remove the assault weapon or large capacity magazine from the state of Missouri;
(2) Render the assault weapon permanently inoperable; or
(3) Surrender the assault weapon or large capacity magazine to the appropriate law enforcement agency for destruction, subject to specific agency regulations."
Legislation introduced in Missouri. And you can repeat the exact same thing for Minnesota
http://stlouis.cbslocal.com/2013/02/16/ ... gislation/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
http://www.house.leg.state.mn.us/bills/ ... n_number=0" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

"Since assault weapons are not a major contributor to US gun homicide and the
existing stock of guns is large, an assault weapon ban is unlikely to
have an impact on gun violence. If coupled with a gun buyback and no exemptions then it could be effective." NIJ Memo on a new "Assault Weapon" Ban.
http://publicintelligence.net/nij-assau ... ban-study/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

No one is coming to take your guns? Then how do you explain the legislation proposed in both MO and MN that would do just that?

Missouri

<http://www.house.mo.gov/billtracking/bi ... B0545I.HTM>

4. Any person who, prior to the effective date of this law, was legally in possession of an assault weapon or large capacity magazine shall have ninety days from such effective date to do any of the following without being subject to prosecution:

(1) Remove the assault weapon or large capacity magazine from the state of Missouri;
(2) Render the assault weapon permanently inoperable; or
(3) Surrender the assault weapon or large capacity magazine to the appropriate law enforcement agency for destruction, subject to specific agency regulations.

5. Unlawful manufacture, import, possession, purchase, sale, or transfer of an assault weapon or a large capacity magazine is a class C felony.

Minnesota

<https://www.revisor.mn.gov/bin/bldbill. ... ssion=ls88>

Sec. 7. PERSONS POSSESSING ASSAULT WEAPONS ON EFFECTIVE DATE
10.21OF ACT; REQUIRED ACTIONS.
10.22Any person who, on February 1, 2013, legally owns or is in possession of an assault
10.23weapon has until September 1, 2013, to do any of the following without being subject to
10.24prosecution under Minnesota Statutes, section 624.7133:
10.25(1) remove the weapon from the state;
10.26(2) surrender the weapon to a law enforcement agency for destruction;
10.27(3) render the weapon permanently inoperable; or
10.28(4) if eligible, register the weapon as provided in Minnesota Statutes, section
10.29624.7133, subdivision 5.

Then there's the ironically named law already passed in New York which requires that you either register your "assault" weapon or get rid of it.

And now we have a leaked DOJ memo recommending universal background checks (IOW, you can't even gift a weapon to your son without a background check), registration of ALL weapons and "mandatory buybacks" (liberal code for confiscation).

It would appear to a reasonable person that you are ignorant and attempting to spread that ignorance through your column.

Gun owners aren't ignorant. We can see what's going on. The fact that you can't simply confirms the blindness that affects all liberals.

Shame on you for publicly ridiculing your conservative "friends". If they read your article, you may find you have lost them.

--On February 18, 2013 10:31:58 AM -0500 Sam Pollak <spollak@thedailystar.com> wrote:

> Mr. Baldeagle:
>
> The Missouri bill hysteria is a straw man, meant to scare people who have no reason to be scared that someone will confiscate their guns. Neither bill you mention has
> any chance at all of passage. Missouri has Republican majorities in the House and Senate.
>
> I think most gun owners can see through the NRA propaganda and hysteria. It's sad that you and some others cannot.
>
> Best wishes,
>
> Sam Pollak
> Editor
> The Daily Star
> P.O. Box 250
> Oneonta, NY 13820
> (607) 441-7208

I find it insulting that you think my ideas come from the NRA, and I am incapable of thinking for myself. I'm a veteran. I took an oath to the Constitution, and unlike far too many of our politicians, I will honor that oath until my last breath.

You really are blind. The very fact that an American politician would propose such a law, regardless of its chance of passage, should be alarming to you.

Since I'm sure you treasure the First Amendment, perhaps you'd like to tell me what you would think if a politician proposed a law requiring that all editorial columns must be approved by a committee established by the state before they can be published? Would you then be crying straw man? Or would you be alarmed enough to write about the threat to your liberty?

If columnists all across the country were promoting the idea of suppressing free speech, and the President and prominent members of Congress were floating ideas about limiting free speech, would you be alarmed then? If the speech they were proposing to suppress was by people you despised, like conservatives, would you sit silently by while the rhetoric flies and the bills are proposed and scoff that there's nothing to worry about?

If you don't stand up for the entire bill of rights you stand for none of it. If you allow one part of it to be abrogated, you've lost the whole.

anygunanywhere wrote:Let's remove their freedom of the press.

Anyguynanywhere

VMI77 wrote:

anygunanywhere wrote:Let's remove their freedom of the press.

Anyguynanywhere

Since we don't have a free press no one would likely even notice. It's an idea whose time has come, and given the damage the media has done to the Republic, it might actually improve the country.