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H.R. 578 National Reciprocity
Posted: Mon Feb 18, 2013 1:05 am
by warhorse10_9
I just wanted to set up a discussion thread for the National Reciprocity Bill. Check it out and let me know what you think. I am a little leery about letting the feds have any say in concealed carry laws.
H.R. 578 (Stutzman - IN) To allow reciprocity for the carrying of certain concealed firearms. Impact: If someone possesses a ccw permit or presides in a state where there is constitutional carry (and they are not a prohibited person in that state), hey can carry in any state that issues CCW permits or has constitutional carry; Must abide by each states laws pertaining to ccw; When in states with multiple licensing schemes, a person carrying in non-resident states will be able to carry under the unrestricted licensing type of those non-resident states.
Status: Referred to Committee on the Judiciary
Preliminary Personal Opinion:
Cautious - Great to have national reciprocity, but I am very cautious about the feds sticking their noses in state issues like concealed carry.
Take a position on H.R. 578!
Re: H.R. 578 National Reciprocity
Posted: Mon Feb 18, 2013 8:36 am
by RottenApple
Could this not be used to open concealed carry permits to federal control (and probably an eventual ban) based on the often misused commerce clause? That's what has me concerned.
Re: H.R. 578 National Reciprocity
Posted: Mon Feb 18, 2013 2:18 pm
by Pete92FS
TxLobo wrote:and Barbara Boxer's S.147 wants nation wide conceal carry with
every person having a "reason" to carry a concealed handgun in her "Common Sense Concealed Firearms Permit Act of 2013" ...
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I'm willing to bet "carrying for self-defense / protection" will not be a good enough reason, if in fact, there will be a good enough reason at all.
Re: H.R. 578 National Reciprocity
Posted: Mon Feb 18, 2013 3:18 pm
by JALLEN
"reason" equals what we have in California, "good cause." That is left open to every CA Sheriff to decide what good cause is in his county. In some of the cow counties on the eastern part of the state, it is virtually "shall" issue." Those are the less populated areas in the mountains. In some counties, SF, LA, etc, it means no issue. In between, it might mean "issue to those participating in my re-election campaign." In some counties, it means, "Dianne Feinstein has to OK the funding of part of my budget so it means no issue."
In most counties, self defense is not good cause.
Re: H.R. 578 National Reciprocity
Posted: Mon Feb 18, 2013 7:58 pm
by texanjoker
They will get shot down due to no national standard for certification.
Re: H.R. 578 National Reciprocity
Posted: Mon Feb 18, 2013 8:40 pm
by MeMelYup
Would that fall under the commerce clause?
Re: H.R. 578 National Reciprocity
Posted: Mon Feb 18, 2013 10:33 pm
by snorri
The best way to handle this is amend LEOSA. Then reciprocity for all the good guys is tied together, with no us versus them double standards for the antis to exploit.
Besides, that's what LEAA and others promised for our support ten years ago. We did our part.

Re: H.R. 578 National Reciprocity
Posted: Tue Feb 19, 2013 10:11 am
by old farmer
The issue is state rights vs Federal control. The Federal Government would love to control all issues. My current Texas CHL cover all of the states that I would like to visit.
The Federal Government should not mandate to the
United State of America.

Re: H.R. 578 National Reciprocity
Posted: Tue Feb 19, 2013 11:14 am
by RX8er
As much as I would love to have it easier to carry across borders, I am much more of a "states" guy. I think this is a state issue and should be left up to the state. Plus, I think just about everything the Federal government does, they mess it up. Next will be national drivers license.