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Camden New Jersey is the most dangerous place in the US. It has a murder rate of 87 per 100,000 people. To compare Houston or Dallas's murder rate was 13 and change. Austin was 3. The violent crime rate is four times the US average.

Of course Camden is in New Jersey. So it has some of the toughest gun control laws in the US. The Brady folks rank New Jersey as second in the nation. It has an assault weapon ban already. 30 day waiting period and a permit is required to purchase a gun.

Hmm. I don't here much about this on the news when discussing gun control.

philip964 wrote:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Camden,_New_Jersey

Camden New Jersey is the most dangerous place in the US. It has a murder rate of 87 per 100,000 people. To compare Houston or Dallas's murder rate was 13 and change. Austin was 3. The violent crime rate is four times the US average.

Of course Camden is in New Jersey. So it has some of the toughest gun control laws in the US. The Brady folks rank New Jersey as second in the nation. It has an assault weapon ban already. 30 day waiting period and a permit is required to purchase a gun.

Hmm. I don't here much about this on the news when discussing gun control.

Of course not.

Facts are devastating to the antis campaign.

Once one recognizes that their aim is not safety for citizens but unfettered control over them, it all makes sense.

Of course, some low information folks are roped in by their deceptions and concealment of the truth.
As Stalin observed, these useful idiots are necessary until the goal is achieved. Then they get to be surprised at just where their smug superiority has taken them. It's happened this way throughout history - but of course those who are ignorant of history think what they're seeing is happening for the first time. That's why the takeover of our schools by marxists over the last 60 years was such a high priority. It's now paying off handsomely.

I agree.

The collabrator is just the conqueror's last victim.

LabRat

I posted this Camden information as a reply to a facebook post on the recent Brady supported study that showed that gun control works. The posters response was that Camden NJ was featured on Rock Center with Brian Williams

http://inplainsight.nbcnews.com/_news/2 ... enter&lite" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Camden to this person was the perfect reason why sweeping FEDERAL gun control was require (his emphasis) as state gun control just allows guns from Texas to come to Camden and kill all these people. He then used Australia (an island) as an example of how well this works.

I'm sort of feeling there is no hope with the anti gun types.

philip964 wrote:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Camden,_New_Jersey

Camden New Jersey is the most dangerous place in the US. It has a murder rate of 87 per 100,000 people. To compare Houston or Dallas's murder rate was 13 and change. Austin was 3. The violent crime rate is four times the US average.

Of course Camden is in New Jersey. So it has some of the toughest gun control laws in the US. The Brady folks rank New Jersey as second in the nation. It has an assault weapon ban already. 30 day waiting period and a permit is required to purchase a gun.

Hmm. I don't here much about this on the news when discussing gun control.

Not sure where you got 87 per 100,000 out of that article. It says the homicide rate for 2011 was 34 per 100K. On this list http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Sta ... crime_rate" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; it doesn't even show unless it was counted in Philadelphia's data (right across the river.) New Orleans, Detroit and St. Louis rate 1, 2 & 3. Philadephia is 8th.

philip964 wrote:I posted this Camden information as a reply to a facebook post on the recent Brady supported study that showed that gun control works. The posters response was that Camden NJ was featured on Rock Center with Brian Williams

http://inplainsight.nbcnews.com/_news/2 ... enter&lite" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Camden to this person was the perfect reason why sweeping FEDERAL gun control was require (his emphasis) as state gun control just allows guns from Texas to come to Camden and kill all these people. He then used Australia (an island) as an example of how well this works.

I'm sort of feeling there is no hope with the anti gun types.

This is the same reason they give when you asked why communism failed. Communism would have worked, if there was no capitalism

Keith B wrote:

philip964 wrote:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Camden,_New_Jersey

Camden New Jersey is the most dangerous place in the US. It has a murder rate of 87 per 100,000 people. To compare Houston or Dallas's murder rate was 13 and change. Austin was 3. The violent crime rate is four times the US average.

Of course Camden is in New Jersey. So it has some of the toughest gun control laws in the US. The Brady folks rank New Jersey as second in the nation. It has an assault weapon ban already. 30 day waiting period and a permit is required to purchase a gun.

Hmm. I don't here much about this on the news when discussing gun control.

Not sure where you got 87 per 100,000 out of that article. It says the homicide rate for 2011 was 34 per 100K. On this list http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Sta ... crime_rate" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; it doesn't even show unless it was counted in Philadelphia's data (right across the river.) New Orleans, Detroit and St. Louis rate 1, 2 & 3. Philadephia is 8th.

I researched it and did actual math.

See if you were an anti gunner you would like to use 2011 numbers. However, in 2012 Camden had 67 murders. Just finding that number was hard. (was it purposely being hidden?) Camden has a population of 77,000 people (could not find 2012 population, so I had to use 2010 census data, people are leaving Camden in droves, so the number is probably lower making the crime stats worse).

I'll let you check my math.

So far since March 1 there has been 9 murders in Camden. At that rate, so far this year, the murder rate is at 55 per 100,000.

So I guess the gun buy back where 1300 illegal guns were collected recently in Camden is working. Wow gun buy backs reduce murder by 36%. I should tell the Brady group.

So if you lived in a nice part of Philly and wanted to relocate to Camden and build a new life. You would be a pioneer. Right? So would the pioneers have settled the West, if they were not allowed to have guns? Probably not. I think what we can see, is that these no gun liberal cesspools will continue to deteriorate, as there will be no pioneers willing to move in and turn it around.

philip964 wrote:

Keith B wrote:

philip964 wrote:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Camden,_New_Jersey

Camden New Jersey is the most dangerous place in the US. It has a murder rate of 87 per 100,000 people. To compare Houston or Dallas's murder rate was 13 and change. Austin was 3. The violent crime rate is four times the US average.

Of course Camden is in New Jersey. So it has some of the toughest gun control laws in the US. The Brady folks rank New Jersey as second in the nation. It has an assault weapon ban already. 30 day waiting period and a permit is required to purchase a gun.

Hmm. I don't here much about this on the news when discussing gun control.

Not sure where you got 87 per 100,000 out of that article. It says the homicide rate for 2011 was 34 per 100K. On this list http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Sta ... crime_rate" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; it doesn't even show unless it was counted in Philadelphia's data (right across the river.) New Orleans, Detroit and St. Louis rate 1, 2 & 3. Philadephia is 8th.

I researched it and did actual math.

See if you were an anti gunner you would like to use 2011 numbers. However, in 2012 Camden had 67 murders. Just finding that number was hard. (was it purposely being hidden?) Camden has a population of 77,000 people (could not find 2012 population, so I had to use 2010 census data, people are leaving Camden in droves, so the number is probably lower making the crime stats worse).

I'll let you check my math.

So far since March 1 there has been 9 murders in Camden. At that rate, so far this year, the murder rate is at 55 per 100,000.

So I guess the gun buy back where 1300 illegal guns were collected recently in Camden is working. Wow gun buy backs reduce murder by 36%. I should tell the Brady group.

So if you lived in a nice part of Philly and wanted to relocate to Camden and build a new life. You would be a pioneer. Right? So would the pioneers have settled the West, if they were not allowed to have guns? Probably not. I think what we can see, is that these no gun liberal cesspools will continue to deteriorate, as there will be no pioneers willing to move in and turn it around.

Like swarming termites, liberals flee the conditions they created in droves and fly off in search of new places to infest and destroy - like Colorado.

I lived in the Phila 'burbs and worked in Center City for a number of years. Camden was awful then and not much has changed.

These demographics
http://camdennj.areaconnect.com/statistics.htm
are part of the continuing story. Roughly 92% of the population is black and Hispanic with a median age of 27 years. The number of single parent households is also reflected in the male versus female statistic. Basically, like many parts of Phila, there are a lot of poor young girls who have kids, little or no education and, because the area is blighted and without much industry, no jobs. That is not a prognosis for success of a city anywhere When you add in a constant stream of corrupt governments,there is no possibility that it is ever going to change without a catastrophic event. It is just a smaller version of Detroit, will all of the same causes.