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Homeland Security Demands “Obedience” in Message to Agents
Posted: Sat Mar 30, 2013 9:02 pm
by JJVP
The Obama administration and its controversial Department of Homeland Security are under fire for sending what is being described as a “chilling” message to U.S. Border Patrol agents demanding “obedience,
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Re: Homeland Security Demands “Obedience” in Message to Agen
Posted: Sat Mar 30, 2013 11:44 pm
by The Annoyed Man
Even without engaging in any speculation about what it means, this message is an insult to the professionalism of the boots on the ground Border Patrol agents. They are professionals. They don't need to be told to be loyal. This is just cheesy.
Re: Homeland Security Demands “Obedience” in Message to Agen
Posted: Sun Mar 31, 2013 3:13 am
by Dave2
The Annoyed Man wrote:Even without engaging in any speculation about what it means, this message is an insult to the professionalism of the boots on the ground Border Patrol agents. They are professionals. They don't need to be told to be loyal. This is just cheesy.
Yep. And kinda creepy.
Re: Homeland Security Demands “Obedience” in Message to Agen
Posted: Sun Mar 31, 2013 6:27 am
by jimlongley
The word “obedience” was defined on the official TV screens as: “quickly and cheerfully carrying out the direction of those who are responsible for me.”
" . . . those who are responsible for me.”
So, in the end, this Orwellian looking piece of trash also implies that the individuals, by being obedient, are not responsible? Didn't work very well at Nuremberg.
Re: Homeland Security Demands “Obedience” in Message to Agen
Posted: Sun Mar 31, 2013 8:11 am
by GeekwithaGun
Maybe they actually meant "Passive obedience"
World English Dictionary
passive obedience
— n
1. unquestioning obedience to authority
2. the surrender of a person's will to another person
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Re: Homeland Security Demands “Obedience” in Message to Agen
Posted: Sun Mar 31, 2013 8:21 am
by Abraham
Resistance is futile...or so they'd have you think.
Re: Homeland Security Demands “Obedience” in Message to Agen
Posted: Sun Mar 31, 2013 8:29 am
by The Annoyed Man
The one thing I do speculate about is whether this initiative is proactive in nature, or in response to a perceived growing discontent among the troops. In other words, why did someone feel the need to produce this crap? Is it simply because Janet Napolitano is a toad with the soul of Hermann Göring and simply knows no boundaries to her ego, or is it because the line officers have become wary of their leadership's constitutional abuses and are starting to grumble about it and become uncooperative?
Or maybe it's both..... Either way, it does not bode well for us, as it is symptomatic of our government's moral center........or lack thereof.
Re: Homeland Security Demands “Obedience” in Message to Agen
Posted: Sun Mar 31, 2013 8:50 am
by C-dub
The Annoyed Man wrote: or is it because the line officers have become wary of their leadership's constitutional abuses and are starting to grumble about it and become uncooperative?
This one gets my vote. Because of Sheriff's and some state lawmakers they have sensed the public's discontent and are resorting to not so subtle threats/reminders.
Re: Homeland Security Demands “Obedience” in Message to Agen
Posted: Sun Mar 31, 2013 8:58 am
by DocV
This comes from the Character First series of "Leadership Development training". DHS should have opted for the pre-printed card:

Re: Homeland Security Demands “Obedience” in Message to Agen
Posted: Sun Mar 31, 2013 9:00 am
by C-dub
Yeah, but they would have deleted that last one.
Re: Homeland Security Demands “Obedience” in Message to Agen
Posted: Sun Mar 31, 2013 10:14 am
by Dave2
DocV wrote:This comes from the Character First series of "Leadership Development training". DHS should have opted for the pre-printed card:
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This is the one I was looking for last night when I was distracted by my job:

Re: Homeland Security Demands “Obedience” in Message to Agen
Posted: Sun Mar 31, 2013 12:56 pm
by handog
Re: Homeland Security Demands “Obedience” in Message to Agen
Posted: Sun Mar 31, 2013 1:26 pm
by gringo pistolero
Certain things are expected when you take the king's shilling.
Re: Homeland Security Demands “Obedience” in Message to Agen
Posted: Sun Mar 31, 2013 7:03 pm
by CowboyEngineer
For any LEO, obedience should be to the enforcement of the law, provided it is moral and just.
Re: Homeland Security Demands “Obedience” in Message to Agen
Posted: Sun Mar 31, 2013 10:43 pm
by mojo84
Heil Obama!