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Yes, the government should take your gun away

Posted: Sat Apr 20, 2013 6:35 pm
by JJVP
Substantial reductions in the millions of guns in America would make us safer and more secure, even if the government needs to buy them back and destroy them.
:banghead: :banghead: :banghead:

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Re: Yes, the government should take your gun away

Posted: Sat Apr 20, 2013 6:42 pm
by SATX-Scrub
Well, its the opinions page, and you know what they say about opinions.

Re: Yes, the government should take your gun away

Posted: Sat Apr 20, 2013 7:23 pm
by lonewolf
They can buy mine back at a two-for-one sale. Give me enough money for each one so I can buy two more.....

Re: Yes, the government should take your gun away

Posted: Sat Apr 20, 2013 7:43 pm
by chasfm11
Gun violence per capita in New Zealand is about 5 percent of ours.
What New Zealand is missing is Chicago, Detroit, NYC, Los Angelos and all of the other places that are run by corrupt Liberals who refuse to enforce our gun laws and allow the outlaws to run our violence statistics up. I wonder what our national statistics would look like without and the likes of Phila, Baltimore, Camden, Newark, etc.

Re: Yes, the government should take your gun away

Posted: Sat Apr 20, 2013 7:50 pm
by baldeagle
They only allow local opinion pieces and don't allow comments, so there's not much point in obsessing over it. Probably someone local will respond.

Re: Yes, the government should take your gun away

Posted: Sat Apr 20, 2013 8:24 pm
by JALLEN
That paper is in Virginia, for crying out loud! :banghead:

Re: Yes, the government should take your gun away

Posted: Sat Apr 20, 2013 9:17 pm
by MoJo
SATX-Scrub wrote:Well, its the opinions page, and you know what they say about opinions.
Yes, they both stink. :biggrinjester:

Re: Yes, the government should take your gun away

Posted: Sat Apr 20, 2013 9:17 pm
by K.Mooneyham
If the man loves NZ's gun laws so much, maybe he should emigrate there. I'd be willing to kick in $5 for the plane ticket if he promises to never come back...

Re: Yes, the government should take your gun away

Posted: Sat Apr 20, 2013 10:34 pm
by gthaustex
New Zealand also doesn't have the immigration issues we have and consists of two small islands. They are a fairly homogeneous society of whites that settled there and native Maori. So, they don have nearly the gang violence, immigration, drug issues etc.

Re: Yes, the government should take your gun away

Posted: Sun Apr 21, 2013 8:14 am
by The Annoyed Man
gthaustex wrote:New Zealand also doesn't have the immigration issues we have and consists of two small islands. They are a fairly homogeneous society of whites that settled there and native Maori. So, they don have nearly the gang violence, immigration, drug issues etc.
Doesn't matter. Low crime is not an excuse to trample the fundamental human right of keeping and bearing arms. It's a human rights issue.

Re: Yes, the government should take your gun away

Posted: Sun Apr 21, 2013 9:16 pm
by gthaustex
The Annoyed Man wrote:
gthaustex wrote:New Zealand also doesn't have the immigration issues we have and consists of two small islands. They are a fairly homogeneous society of whites that settled there and native Maori. So, they don have nearly the gang violence, immigration, drug issues etc.
Doesn't matter. Low crime is not an excuse to trample the fundamental human right of keeping and bearing arms. It's a human rights issue.
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TAM, I wholeheartedly agree with you. I was trying to point out, possibly not too well that the comparisons between the society in New Zealand and here in the US fall flat when comparing things like crime rates. It is apples to oranges. I think that residents in both New Zealand and Australia should have far more gun rights than they do. Australia used to.....

Re: Yes, the government should take your gun away

Posted: Mon Apr 22, 2013 8:22 am
by Jeff B.
I'm glad he's in Virginia. Hopefully, he will remain there, or maybe emigrate to New Zealand, his idea of paradise. I'm also fine with him having an opinion, which is his First Amendment right. I'm not fine with his interpretation of how our Second Amendment rights should be interpreted. This train of thought should illustrate to anyone why the potential for the president to appointe another Supreme Court Justice or two should be horrifying.

Back to Mr. Abraham;
Abraham is a businessman...
He would not be concerning himself with soiling his hands with my money.
Our government really should take your gun away.
I'm not sure of how to respond. Nothing immediately comes to mind that's publically appropriate or within boad guidelines.
Owning a gun to protect the citizenry from a tyrannical government is nonsensical, obsolete fantasy.
Hmnnn. OK. I guess we can make the assumption that this guy is a full on statist-progressive.
Owning a gun for personal security is statistically unrealistic.
RIght. Let's go through the multiple reports on armed citizens successfully defending themselves and their families against criminals. We deal in the real world, not statistics.
It’s high time to show the world — and ourselves — we can get sane again.
You know, I have no issue with you "getting sane". Simply do it in another country and leave my rights alone. If that implies an altered political condition in the United States, fine.

This guy is a perfect example of one of the privileged sheep (New Zealand vacation) that buys into the "all inclusive" role for government. He completely trust in his government to be all things to hima nd his family, to the point where he eschews self protection outside of calling the police for "professional" assistance. He's have been right at home in Boston, when they shut the city down and its residents hid in their houses like mice, waiting for the "official" responders.

The problem with folks like this are that there are alot of them, and they see nothing wrong in imposing their view of the Constitution on the rest of us. I bet if you ask Mr. Abraham, he'd heartily endorse the "Living Constitution" idea.

Jeff B.

Re: Yes, the government should take your gun away

Posted: Mon Apr 22, 2013 2:12 pm
by Grillmark55
Gun violence per capita in New Zealand is about 5 percent of ours.
Hmmm.... with all of those guns safely tucked away, why isn't the gun violence rate ZERO? Or is there a basic flaw in the premise that gun control laws reduce gun violence?