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Yeah, I'm mad. We had a young man come in with two fake I.D.s . One had a skewed picture of the boy in front of a bookcase and said "Texas Department of Licensing and Regulation" underneath it said "Federal ID" . I ran his licensing number through the TXDLR's website and it was a no go. (I figured) I even called them up, they ran his info, even ran his soc - no go. During this time he was ticked that I would dare verify his ID ( I can be charged for printing people without a valid ID) - while I was holding for a TXDLR rep, he called up Morphotrust and told them he had a Federal ID - so in my other ear I have a Morphotrust rep telling me I should accept the ID.

I informed the agent that it is not a Federal ID, explained to her what one looked like, what Texas Department this boys license is claiming to be from and she responds with "oh Im so sorry, Im not from Texas. Have him reschedule" (!!!!!)

His second ID he tries to use is a "Geneva COnventions" card printed on white paper and laminated with packing tape. I refused and told him to come back with a valid ID. He continued to push, bully and try to psychologically pressure me (didn't work.) to the point my coworker (who fingerprints but doesnt have a crim background and has no idea what a Federal ID much less a military ID looks like.) comes in and says "Ill print you since she is refusing to do the job, Ive done it before for people who didnt have ID"....
Thankfully when she got to the verification screen and the guy claimed to have a TX license - it popped from LA. SO she sent him away.

I called the police and filed a report. turns out that YES the IDs were fake, he doesn't have a valid license, and the guy or at least the person to whom the name and soc are attached is wanted for burglary with some kind of aggravated something or other (IM not as good with the ten codes....so I missed some stuff). (he was trying to print for the board of nursing, and Ive been trying to get ahold of them....per the officer.)

Now Im just ticked to know I have a fellow fingerprinter who is printing people without a valid ID and she knows because she read the code that is listed in our manual and heard it from the cop, but somehow doesnt take it seriously. (apparently we get in as much trouble as a wayward CHL instructor) - on the one day during the week Im off, she is printing (thankfully she has her own login) --- did I mention we are up for a DPS audit? Her response was "oh they can't tell if we print someone who has an ID or not"

Are there no supervisors to look into this? Sounds like the other person is pretty brazen about ignoring the rules. If he/she doesn't want to do the job the right way then they have no business in that position. Wouldn't want him/her to handle applications from my company/organization. What would happen if this person was applying to work at a school?
The problem needs to be elevated to the proper supervisors before something really bad happens.

2farnorth wrote:Are there no supervisors to look into this? Sounds like the other person is pretty brazen about ignoring the rules. If he/she doesn't want to do the job the right way then they have no business in that position. Wouldn't want him/her to handle applications from my company/organization. What would happen if this person was applying to work at a school?
The problem needs to be elevated to the proper supervisors before something really bad happens.

Yeah, it sounds like a serious issue to be printing without valid ID. I would go up the chain with this. Its people like your coworker who enable felons to have jobs in places they shouldn't.

Sounds like the company? needs to have a serious review of its employees. (Not you mamak)

Mama K, as far as I know TDLR or Texas Department of Licensing and Regulation doesn't issue picture ID's or at least none of the ones I get from them on a yearly basis has ever had a picture, nor does DSHS. all the ID's they send out are plain and need a DPS issued ID to confirm them. I do have ID's from both and they aren't actually ID they are licenses. there is no such thing as Federal ID, Military ID has certain features that make it very difficult to fake and at over 40$ per ID most people wont chase them and CAC cards are still a controlled document. your coworker needs to be terminated and sent over to the County lockup for falsifying a government document and criminal malfeasance

JP171 wrote:there is no such thing as Federal ID, Military ID has certain features that make it very difficult to fake and at over 40$ per ID most people wont chase them and CAC cards are still a controlled document. your coworker needs to be terminated and sent over to the County lockup for falsifying a government document and criminal malfeasance

Well there is the TWIC card and other Federal entities issue picture credentials as well.

@2farnorth
I spoke to our main Dr who is the one who applied for us to be the morphotrust vender, she just doesn't seem to "get it". My suggestion was to keep a xerox copy of the id of each person that we print or wants to print (such as fake ID boy). The other printer is great with medical front office,and should probably stay there (and I should stay out of a medical front office.. because my background makes me question some of our customers background information in regards to authenticity especially in the car accident cases.)

@knotquiteawake
"Yeah, it sounds like a serious issue to be printing without valid ID. I would go up the chain with this. Its people like your coworker who enable felons to have jobs in places they shouldn't."
It's very serious. Felons who are probably sending their friends in to print for them. (I have this odd suspicion that the young man yesterday wasn't THAT guy because we have seen him in the clinic before but there is nothing under THAT name. So I think THAT person sent in a friend with fake ids to try to print for him for the nursing board. Whom, I contacted and am filling out a form about the situation for.)

@jocat54
"Sounds like the company? needs to have a serious review of its employees."
We actually go through a background check (lexis Nexis) fingerprinting and a u/a. I have a strange suspicion that the reason dps is going to be auditing us is because of all of this (I welcome my dps overlords especially since it helps fix things. )

@JP171
"I do have ID's from both and they aren't actually ID they are licenses. there is no such thing as Federal ID, Military ID has certain features that make it very difficult to fake"
-- this goon was saying "its a Federal ID you should accept it" and was incredibly aggressive when I was on hold with TLDR waiting for an agent. Thank you for telling me that they dont have photos. (I can't accept them as identification anyway =/)

"your coworker needs to be terminated and sent over to the County lockup for falsifying a government document and criminal malfeasance"
I just don't know how many times she or the previous printers did that. That really concerns me. She was trained by the lady who trained me (who became upset and abandoned my training after I chastized her for giving legal advise to a chl fingerprint client. - she's a medical assistant.) Our morphotrust contact is "away" and I've tried to reach everyone she listed as an alternate. (phone and email, both at work and even from home.) I don't know what to do. The people who are in charge, don't seem to care. The clinics boss doesn't care because she thinks it will be like a medical audit "oh we got a few dings, it's never a big deal". Maybe it will, and then again maybe Ill be making a post asking if there are any fingerprinting jobs because half of my office was taken to the clink

MamaK wrote:Maybe it will, and then again maybe Ill be making a post asking if there are any fingerprinting jobs because half of my office was taken to the clink

Does your local jail scan fingerprints or do traditional ink?

Lucky wrote:

MamaK wrote:Maybe it will, and then again maybe Ill be making a post asking if there are any fingerprinting jobs because half of my office was taken to the clink

Does your local jail scan fingerprints or do traditional ink?

They do ink

EEllis wrote:

JP171 wrote:there is no such thing as Federal ID, Military ID has certain features that make it very difficult to fake and at over 40$ per ID most people wont chase them and CAC cards are still a controlled document. your coworker needs to be terminated and sent over to the County lockup for falsifying a government document and criminal malfeasance

Well there is the TWIC card and other Federal entities issue picture credentials as well.

yep federal agencies do in fact issue ID's lemme see TWIC is issued, hold on let me check my card OH YEA the airplane gestapo, it says no where federal government ID it does say this card is the property of the US government. all federal agency ID's require corroboration of a state issued ID I don't even think that DC issues a drivers license. there is NO SUCH thing as a federal ID all government ID's are issued by an agency even CAC Cards( twic card is one), the branch is the issuing authority of in the case of DOD civilian employees it is issued by the DOD so again NO FEDERAL ID

JP171 wrote:

EEllis wrote:

JP171 wrote:there is no such thing as Federal ID, Military ID has certain features that make it very difficult to fake and at over 40$ per ID most people wont chase them and CAC cards are still a controlled document. your coworker needs to be terminated and sent over to the County lockup for falsifying a government document and criminal malfeasance

Well there is the TWIC card and other Federal entities issue picture credentials as well.

yep federal agencies do in fact issue ID's lemme see TWIC is issued, hold on let me check my card OH YEA the airplane gestapo, it says no where federal government ID it does say this card is the property of the US government. all federal agency ID's require corroboration of a state issued ID I don't even think that DC issues a drivers license. there is NO SUCH thing as a federal ID all government ID's are issued by an agency even CAC Cards( twic card is one), the branch is the issuing authority of in the case of DOD civilian employees it is issued by the DOD so again NO FEDERAL ID

Thats what I thought, thank you for reinforcing it. (I was questioning myself) I've seen my husbands various CAC cards for all his contracts his cards would list his pay grade and all had that chip. (His TWIC doesnt look much different other than they gave him a fancy hard plastic holder. they seem to have a similar style)

I finally got an email from our Fingerprinting Rep about their ID policy (which is apparently updated) and have noticed it does provide a way for people to get printed without ever showing a legitimate photo id. Apparently its based off TX Admin Code Title 37, Part 1, Subchapter B, Rule 15.24 (except when I compare our pdf to the states website, it's different. We apparently allow more options. Im going to adhere to what DPS states because while the company could fire me, DPS can send me to prison.

JP171 wrote:

EEllis wrote:

JP171 wrote:there is no such thing as Federal ID, Military ID has certain features that make it very difficult to fake and at over 40$ per ID most people wont chase them and CAC cards are still a controlled document. your coworker needs to be terminated and sent over to the County lockup for falsifying a government document and criminal malfeasance

Well there is the TWIC card and other Federal entities issue picture credentials as well.

yep federal agencies do in fact issue ID's lemme see TWIC is issued, hold on let me check my card OH YEA the airplane gestapo, it says no where federal government ID it does say this card is the property of the US government. all federal agency ID's require corroboration of a state issued ID I don't even think that DC issues a drivers license. there is NO SUCH thing as a federal ID all government ID's are issued by an agency even CAC Cards( twic card is one), the branch is the issuing authority of in the case of DOD civilian employees it is issued by the DOD so again NO FEDERAL ID

That is a bit like saying there is no Texas ID card just TDPS cards. True there is no single universally recognized Federal ID that everyone in the US can get and is issued for regular use, except for a passport, but there are many federal ID's that are recognized and used as ID's even outside their agency of origin. Like DOD ID card, green card, passport card, Merchant Mariner's card, and others. The key to it's use as an ID isn't who issues it, since any govt agency can issue "vallad and accepted id's", but rather if it meets the criteria for acceptable ID in terms of having the persons name, birthdate, height, weight, gender, etc.

I figure if I'm adhering to State and Federal law...I'm ok. I got to spend a few hours with the AFIS tech in town, and it really helped reassure me, that although I may not be doing what my employer prefers, Im doing what law enforcement prefers. I also got an email from the FBI's fingerprinting liason reassuring me. I was going by what the law said to accept as a Primary source. My employer believes that so long its its some kind of photo id (even a student id) then that's good enough; I advise people to rebook their appointments and come back with proper ID.

EEllis wrote:

JP171 wrote:

EEllis wrote:

JP171 wrote:there is no such thing as Federal ID, Military ID has certain features that make it very difficult to fake and at over 40$ per ID most people wont chase them and CAC cards are still a controlled document. your coworker needs to be terminated and sent over to the County lockup for falsifying a government document and criminal malfeasance

Well there is the TWIC card and other Federal entities issue picture credentials as well.

yep federal agencies do in fact issue ID's lemme see TWIC is issued, hold on let me check my card OH YEA the airplane gestapo, it says no where federal government ID it does say this card is the property of the US government. all federal agency ID's require corroboration of a state issued ID I don't even think that DC issues a drivers license. there is NO SUCH thing as a federal ID all government ID's are issued by an agency even CAC Cards( twic card is one), the branch is the issuing authority of in the case of DOD civilian employees it is issued by the DOD so again NO FEDERAL ID

That is a bit like saying there is no Texas ID card just TDPS cards. True there is no single universally recognized Federal ID that everyone in the US can get and is issued for regular use, except for a passport, but there are many federal ID's that are recognized and used as ID's even outside their agency of origin. Like DOD ID card, green card, passport card, Merchant Mariner's card, and others. The key to it's use as an ID isn't who issues it, since any govt agency can issue "vallad and accepted id's", but rather if it meets the criteria for acceptable ID in terms of having the persons name, birthdate, height, weight, gender, etc.

A Passport isn't a "federal" ID it is a US State Dept document that establishes citizenship and purportedly identity, get your facts straight there is NO federal ID. there is no parallel between what I said(typed) and the drivel your tryin to spout thnx

JP171 wrote:

EEllis wrote:

JP171 wrote:

EEllis wrote:

JP171 wrote:there is no such thing as Federal ID, Military ID has certain features that make it very difficult to fake and at over 40$ per ID most people wont chase them and CAC cards are still a controlled document. your coworker needs to be terminated and sent over to the County lockup for falsifying a government document and criminal malfeasance

Well there is the TWIC card and other Federal entities issue picture credentials as well.

yep federal agencies do in fact issue ID's lemme see TWIC is issued, hold on let me check my card OH YEA the airplane gestapo, it says no where federal government ID it does say this card is the property of the US government. all federal agency ID's require corroboration of a state issued ID I don't even think that DC issues a drivers license. there is NO SUCH thing as a federal ID all government ID's are issued by an agency even CAC Cards( twic card is one), the branch is the issuing authority of in the case of DOD civilian employees it is issued by the DOD so again NO FEDERAL ID

That is a bit like saying there is no Texas ID card just TDPS cards. True there is no single universally recognized Federal ID that everyone in the US can get and is issued for regular use, except for a passport, but there are many federal ID's that are recognized and used as ID's even outside their agency of origin. Like DOD ID card, green card, passport card, Merchant Mariner's card, and others. The key to it's use as an ID isn't who issues it, since any govt agency can issue "vallad and accepted id's", but rather if it meets the criteria for acceptable ID in terms of having the persons name, birthdate, height, weight, gender, etc.

A Passport isn't a "federal" ID it is a US State Dept document that establishes citizenship and purportedly identity, get your facts straight there is NO federal ID. there is no parallel between what I said(typed) and the drivel your tryin to spout thnx

A passport "is a US State Dept document that establishes citizenship and purportedly identity". What the heck is your definition of an ID? It is universally recognized in the US as such by everyone but you it seems, and suffices as an ID for any purpose in which the Feds require an ID. Sure it doesn't establish residency but it does do so for Identity. You are just wrong, there are many "Federal ID's", there is just not one all encompassing ID.