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Question:

Posted: Tue May 21, 2013 6:18 pm
by VoiceofReason
I pulled this question from my reply to another post because I didn’t think it would be noticed and would really like an answer.
Concerning the hypothetical situation of a firearms manufacturer refusing to sell in a state, even to LE;

Are there any laws that could force companies to sell in California, New York or any other state?

Re: Question:

Posted: Tue May 21, 2013 6:24 pm
by RX8er
Maybe in China or Russia but I didn't think there are laws that made you do business in certain states. Guess I could be wrong.


TBM and I are by no means even a player in Calf. but we have decided we will not sell to anyone in that state. We just cannot keep up with the laws or risk being shut down because I missed a silly law.

Re: Question:

Posted: Tue May 21, 2013 6:35 pm
by JALLEN
Nope.

There may be other detriments involved, but if you don't want to do business in a particular state, at all, AFAIK, they can't stop you.

I am troubled by a long ago memory of Coors Beer having to expand its sales territory, more or less against its will. When I was in college, Coors was to available many places. It was highly prized and in great demand, so much so that a neighbor of mine in the Dean of Student Housing approved slum we lived in financed his college education hauling Coors from his home in, I believe, Junction, to Austin, every time he went home. He took orders, and was making a killing at it. I heard wild stories about air force guys getting in trouble, getting caught "smuggling" Coors on AF planes back to DC, etc. Coors claimed the Rocky Mountain water wasn't available elsewhere and in sufficient quantity to permit expanding, but eventually they did so, under some pressure, I believe. It's so long ago I no longer recall the details, but that is my impression.

Re: Question:

Posted: Tue May 21, 2013 7:25 pm
by RoyGBiv
I'm not aware of any law that would force a company to sell in any particular jurisdiction.... but I have been party to contracts that have such a requirement.
Example: A purchase contract with a parent company based in XYZ location that requires deliveries (under local law) of goods to specific locations around the world.

Re: Question:

Posted: Tue May 21, 2013 8:17 pm
by VoiceofReason
RoyGBiv wrote:I'm not aware of any law that would force a company to sell in any particular jurisdiction.... but I have been party to contracts that have such a requirement.
Example: A purchase contract with a parent company based in XYZ location that requires deliveries (under local law) of goods to specific locations around the world.
On further thought, companies may have contracts that require sales to federal agencies in these states. This is all hypothetical because in my wildest dream, I can’t see any large company passing up the profit for a principle.

Re: Question:

Posted: Wed May 22, 2013 8:43 am
by Jaguar
JALLEN wrote:Nope.

There may be other detriments involved, but if you don't want to do business in a particular state, at all, AFAIK, they can't stop you.

I am troubled by a long ago memory of Coors Beer having to expand its sales territory, more or less against its will. When I was in college, Coors was to available many places. It was highly prized and in great demand, so much so that a neighbor of mine in the Dean of Student Housing approved slum we lived in financed his college education hauling Coors from his home in, I believe, Junction, to Austin, every time he went home. He took orders, and was making a killing at it. I heard wild stories about air force guys getting in trouble, getting caught "smuggling" Coors on AF planes back to DC, etc. Coors claimed the Rocky Mountain water wasn't available elsewhere and in sufficient quantity to permit expanding, but eventually they did so, under some pressure, I believe. It's so long ago I no longer recall the details, but that is my impression.
I recall family trips to Oklahoma from Kentucky in the 70's and back then you couldn't get Coors west of the Mississippi. We had the big ol' stationwagon and the kids rode in the back with blankets and pillows. On the way home, we rode about a foot higher in the back on top of cases of Coors stacked two high. Dad didn't sell it, just shared with his buddies.

Re: Question:

Posted: Wed May 22, 2013 8:50 am
by The Annoyed Man
JALLEN wrote:Nope.

There may be other detriments involved, but if you don't want to do business in a particular state, at all, AFAIK, they can't stop you.

I am troubled by a long ago memory of Coors Beer having to expand its sales territory, more or less against its will. When I was in college, Coors was to available many places. It was highly prized and in great demand, so much so that a neighbor of mine in the Dean of Student Housing approved slum we lived in financed his college education hauling Coors from his home in, I believe, Junction, to Austin, every time he went home. He took orders, and was making a killing at it. I heard wild stories about air force guys getting in trouble, getting caught "smuggling" Coors on AF planes back to DC, etc. Coors claimed the Rocky Mountain water wasn't available elsewhere and in sufficient quantity to permit expanding, but eventually they did so, under some pressure, I believe. It's so long ago I no longer recall the details, but that is my impression.
I tended bar at the 12th Man Inn across the street from the A&M campus back in 1976 or '77 (I believe that its called "The Library" now). We sold Coors for nearly double the cost of a Shiner because the owner would have to arrange to privately have it shipped down here to us. I don't recall if he went up there and drove it down himself, or if he paid a relative or friend to do it.

More recently, the CEO of Coors has come out in favor of all the new gun laws in Colorado, so they've lost my business forever. Does really matter much though. I drink so little that I can afford better than the panther pee they sell.

Re: Question:

Posted: Wed May 22, 2013 8:54 am
by JJVP
VoiceofReason wrote:
RoyGBiv wrote:I'm not aware of any law that would force a company to sell in any particular jurisdiction.... but I have been party to contracts that have such a requirement.
Example: A purchase contract with a parent company based in XYZ location that requires deliveries (under local law) of goods to specific locations around the world.
On further thought, companies may have contracts that require sales to federal agencies in these states. This is all hypothetical because in my wildest dream, I can’t see any large company passing up the profit for a principle.
Yet several companies have already done just that. You need to dream wilder.


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Re: Question:

Posted: Wed May 22, 2013 7:27 pm
by VoiceofReason
JJVP wrote:
VoiceofReason wrote:
RoyGBiv wrote:I'm not aware of any law that would force a company to sell in any particular jurisdiction.... but I have been party to contracts that have such a requirement.
Example: A purchase contract with a parent company based in XYZ location that requires deliveries (under local law) of goods to specific locations around the world.
On further thought, companies may have contracts that require sales to federal agencies in these states. This is all hypothetical because in my wildest dream, I can’t see any large company passing up the profit for a principle.
Yet several companies have already done just that. You need to dream wilder.


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Re: Question:

Posted: Wed May 22, 2013 7:32 pm
by brhalltx
Jaguar wrote:I recall family trips to Oklahoma from Kentucky in the 70's and back then you couldn't get Coors west of the Mississippi.
Wouldn't that be "you couldn't get Coors EAST of the Mississippi"?

Re: Question:

Posted: Wed May 22, 2013 9:18 pm
by Jaguar
brhalltx wrote:
Jaguar wrote:I recall family trips to Oklahoma from Kentucky in the 70's and back then you couldn't get Coors west of the Mississippi.
Wouldn't that be "you couldn't get Coors EAST of the Mississippi"?
D'oh. Yes,