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what is the point of this.....
Posted: Sat Jun 22, 2013 12:53 am
by thetexan
You see these signs everywhere...usually at corner stores...
'The unlicsenced possession of a firearm on these premises is a felony and is punishable by up to 10 years in prison and a fine,,,;
Why?
Is it to remind us of the obvious? It implies that at other places without a similar sign that the unlicsensed possession is ok.
Is there some other significance of that signage for us with chl?
tex
Re: what is the point of this.....
Posted: Sat Jun 22, 2013 1:01 am
by Wes
Is it the third sign down from this list?
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Re: what is the point of this.....
Posted: Sat Jun 22, 2013 6:02 am
by Vol Texan
As I understand it (and I may be wrong in the details, but I think I get the substance right:
Every establishment that sells alcohol is required to put up one of two signs - either the one you mentioned, or the 51% sign.
This next part is all hearsay, so I welcome further input: I've heard tale that they are issued both signs up front when they apply, but then which one they (are supposed to) erect is determined by the final disposition of their license application. For that reason, sometimes you'll find a non-serving establishment posting the wrong (51%) sign.
Re: what is the point of this.....
Posted: Sat Jun 22, 2013 6:46 am
by Wodathunkit
It means exactly what the sign says. If you are carrying a gun and you are unlicensed, your in trouble. If they want to escalate their hatred of gun carrying, they would post the "massive" 30-06 sign.
Re: what is the point of this.....
Posted: Sat Jun 22, 2013 6:52 am
by The Annoyed Man
thetexan wrote:You see these signs everywhere...usually at corner stores...
'The unlicsenced possession of a firearm on these premises is a felony and is punishable by up to 10 years in prison and a fine,,,;
Why?
Is it to remind us of the obvious? It implies that at other places without a similar sign that the unlicsensed possession is ok.
Is there some other significance of that signage for us with chl?
tex
TABC signs are mandatory by law in certain kinds of establishments.
Re: what is the point of this.....
Posted: Sat Jun 22, 2013 7:54 am
by Jumping Frog
thetexan wrote:Why?
Is it to remind us of the obvious? It implies that at other places without a similar sign that the unlicsensed possession is ok.
You ask what the point of the sign is.
Yes, someone unlawfully carrying a handgun in other places is already a violation of PC §46.02. UNLAWFUL CARRYING WEAPONS. However, carrying someplace else is a Class A Misdemeanor (max one year in jail).
Someone unlawfully carrying a handgun where the TABC Blue sign is posted is being placed on notice that the penalty is a FELONY with up to 10 years in prison.
So there is a valid point to the sign.
Re: what is the point of this.....
Posted: Sat Jun 22, 2013 8:22 am
by Keith B
There is another side to this as these signs say 'weapon'. Carry of a long gun is not illegal in Texas, but if you enter property with a blue sign, then you are committing a felony. Also, any 'unlicensed weapon' as defined by statutes gets you a felony, so that can be an add-on charge if someone commits aggravated assault or robbery on the premise licensed to sell alcohol for off-premise consumption.
Re: what is the point of this.....
Posted: Sat Jun 22, 2013 12:31 pm
by Jaguar
My CHL instructor classified these as "no liquor store robbing allowed" signs. Basically an add on charge for criminal behavior.
Re: what is the point of this.....
Posted: Sat Jun 22, 2013 12:35 pm
by 2farnorth
Saw a sign at the Denison Cotton Patch restaurant yesterday that said it's a Felony to carry a firearm in an establishment that serves drinks to be consumed on premise. It's a recent sign as they used to have the "unlicensed carry" sign in the same location by the bar.
Re: what is the point of this.....
Posted: Sat Jun 22, 2013 2:49 pm
by hillfighter
2farnorth wrote:Saw a sign at the Denison Cotton Patch restaurant yesterday that said it's a Felony to carry a firearm in an establishment that serves drinks to be consumed on premise. It's a recent sign as they used to have the "unlicensed carry" sign in the same location by the bar.
It's possible TABC made a different determination on their sales when they renewed their license. It's also possible the management is incompetent.
You can find out here.
http://www.tabc.state.tx.us/PublicInquiry/Status.aspx" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Re: what is the point of this.....
Posted: Sat Jun 22, 2013 2:56 pm
by hillfighter
Keith B wrote:There is another side to this as these signs say 'weapon'. Carry of a long gun is not illegal in Texas, but if you enter property with a blue sign, then you are committing a felony.
Where does it say that in the law? It's not part of 46.03 that prohibits firearms certain places.
Re: what is the point of this.....
Posted: Sat Jun 22, 2013 3:45 pm
by android
2farnorth wrote:Saw a sign at the Denison Cotton Patch restaurant yesterday that said it's a Felony to carry a firearm in an establishment that serves drinks to be consumed on premise. It's a recent sign as they used to have the "unlicensed carry" sign in the same location by the bar.
According the the TABC website, they are blue. If they have taken down their blue sign, they are out of compliance with TABC regs. You should file a complaint. They CANNOT take down their red or blue sign and replace it with a sign that has different wording or the wrong sign. ie: they can't put up red if their license says blue or blue if their license says red.
The CAN make a nicer/prettier sign and frame it, but it must still say exactly what the standard red or blue sign that TABC hands out says.
Re: what is the point of this.....
Posted: Sat Jun 22, 2013 3:49 pm
by Keith B
hillfighter wrote:Keith B wrote:There is another side to this as these signs say 'weapon'. Carry of a long gun is not illegal in Texas, but if you enter property with a blue sign, then you are committing a felony.
Where does it say that in the law? It's not part of 46.03 that prohibits firearms certain places.
46.035 doesn't, but TABC laws do. So you are violating the TABC law.
Re: what is the point of this.....
Posted: Sat Jun 22, 2013 3:52 pm
by hillfighter
Keith B wrote:hillfighter wrote:Keith B wrote:There is another side to this as these signs say 'weapon'. Carry of a long gun is not illegal in Texas, but if you enter property with a blue sign, then you are committing a felony.
Where does it say that in the law? It's not part of 46.03 that prohibits firearms certain places.
46.035 doesn't, but TABC laws do. So you are violating the TABC law.
What TABC law says that?
Re: what is the point of this.....
Posted: Sat Jun 22, 2013 4:09 pm
by Keith B
hillfighter wrote:Keith B wrote:hillfighter wrote:Keith B wrote:There is another side to this as these signs say 'weapon'. Carry of a long gun is not illegal in Texas, but if you enter property with a blue sign, then you are committing a felony.
Where does it say that in the law? It's not part of 46.03 that prohibits firearms certain places.
46.035 doesn't, but TABC laws do. So you are violating the TABC law.
What TABC law says that?
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Sec. 11.041. WARNING SIGN REQUIRED. (a) Each holder of a permit who is not otherwise required to display a sign under Section 411.204, Gov’t. Code, shall display in a prominent place on the permit holder’s premises a sign giving notice that it is unlawful for a person to carry a weapon on the premises unless the weapon is a concealed handgun of the same category the person is licensed to carry under Section 411.204, Gov’t. Code.
The sign requirements state that it is a felony to posses the weapon on the premises, and here is the penalty
Sec. 12.35. STATE JAIL FELONY PUNISHMENT. (a) Except as provided by Subsection (c), an individual adjudged guilty of a state jail felony shall be punished by confinement in a state jail for any term of not more than two years or less than 180 days.
(b) In addition to confinement, an individual adjudged guilty of a state jail felony may be punished by a fine not to exceed $10,000.
(c) An individual adjudged guilty of a state jail felony shall be punished for a third degree felony if it is shown on the trial of the offense that:
(1) a deadly weapon as defined by Section 1.07 was used or exhibited during the commission of the offense or during immediate flight following the commission of the offense, and that the individual used or exhibited the deadly weapon or was a party to the offense and knew that a deadly weapon would be used or exhibited; or
(2) the individual has previously been finally convicted of any felony:
(A) under Section 21.02 or listed in Section 3g(a)(1), Article 42.12, Code of Criminal Procedure; or
(B) for which the judgment contains an affirmative finding under Section 3g(a)(2), Article 42.12, Code of Criminal Procedure.