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I believe that the grandmother handled the situation well, but it may have been seconds away from turning ugly:

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Assuming the grandmother was armed, would it have been lawful for her to display or shoot?

If the driver felt that their life was in danger, would it have been lawful to run over those blocking the car?

Since a passenger was ill, would the mere act of blocking them be a threat to their life and justify use of force?

rp_photo wrote:I believe that the grandmother handled the situation well, but it may have been seconds away from turning ugly:

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Assuming the grandmother was armed, would it have been lawful for her to display or shoot?

If the driver felt that their life was in danger, would it have been lawful to run over those blocking the car?

Since a passenger was ill, would the mere act of blocking them be a threat to their life and justify use of force?

Yes.

Shoot them. If that was my grandaughter there would have been dead bodies on the road. Might have been a few protesters that looked like hood ornaments.

Anygunanywhere

anygunanywhere wrote:

rp_photo wrote:I believe that the grandmother handled the situation well, but it may have been seconds away from turning ugly:

[The link was deleted because it included at least two redirectors, the first being to a quasi-porn site. Be sure to verify links before posting.]

Assuming the grandmother was armed, would it have been lawful for her to display or shoot?

If the driver felt that their life was in danger, would it have been lawful to run over those blocking the car?

Since a passenger was ill, would the mere act of blocking them be a threat to their life and justify use of force?

Yes.

Shoot them. If that was my grandaughter there would have been dead bodies on the road. Might have been a few protesters that looked like hood ornaments.

Anygunanywhere

I would have loved seeing those criminals get what they deserved, and I also have faith that Texas law would stand by her.

However, things also could have gone very wrong.

What angers me most is that the protest was tolerated by law enforcement. IMHO, the protest caused a transportation security incident which falls under the jurisdiction of TSA and DHS. After all, they just purchased armored vehicles and a bunch of ammo.

I also can't help but think that a Tea Party or Second Amendment rally would have been dealt with harshly had they done the same thing. But then again, people supporting those causes are too respectful of the law and the rights of others to ever do such a thing.

anygunanywhere wrote:

rp_photo wrote:I believe that the grandmother handled the situation well, but it may have been seconds away from turning ugly:

[The link was deleted because it included at least two redirectors, the first being to a quasi-porn site. Be sure to verify links before posting.]

Assuming the grandmother was armed, would it have been lawful for her to display or shoot?

If the driver felt that their life was in danger, would it have been lawful to run over those blocking the car?

Since a passenger was ill, would the mere act of blocking them be a threat to their life and justify use of force?

Yes.

Shoot them. If that was my grandaughter there would have been dead bodies on the road. Might have been a few protesters that looked like hood ornaments.

Anygunanywhere

I suggest you view the video. I doubt seriously it would have been justifiable self defense. Not to mention that you wouldn't have had nearly enough bullets to survive.

baldeagle wrote:I suggest you view the video. I doubt seriously it would have been justifiable self defense. Not to mention that you wouldn't have had nearly enough bullets to survive.

Shooting would have been idiotic in the context of the video. It was also stupid -- probably liberal guilt -- for the women to come to a stop, roll down the window, and try to explain themselves.

My child on the way to the hospital? I am on the horn, flashing brights, and the car is moving, always moving. If they do not get out of the way, they are getting run over. Not stopping for anyone or any reason.

Jumping Frog wrote:

baldeagle wrote:I suggest you view the video. I doubt seriously it would have been justifiable self defense. Not to mention that you wouldn't have had nearly enough bullets to survive.

Shooting would have been idiotic in the context of the video. It was also stupid -- probably liberal guilt -- for the women to come to a stop, roll down the window, and try to explain themselves.

My child on the way to the hospital? I am on the horn, flashing brights, and the car is moving, always moving. If they do not get out of the way, they are getting run over. Not stopping for anyone or any reason.

Agree that nothing had escalated to the point that a shooting was wise or justified and that the woman made herself an easy mark by trying to reason with them.

But what if she had displayed a weapon and ordered them to back off and get out of the way?

Now you know why cops like to have those fun, obscure, arrestable offenses...

They solve problems quickly. Once that guy pulled on my door handle, depending on what he said, he would've been facing a loaded pistol, and hearing clear instructions to get back. I wouldn't advocate this for most people, but I am comfortable using the threat of deadly force as a use of force.

Don't forget the disparity of force text in penal code (ch 9?) which could get you to a clean shoot. I think it would be an expensive shoot as it would likely be highly protested, politicized, and skewed....

I could see the headlines now...."black protester killed while peacefully demonstrating Trayvon Martin verdict"


While untrue, it is little different from "black teen killed while carrying skittles and wearing a hoodie"

anygunanywhere wrote:

rp_photo wrote:I believe that the grandmother handled the situation well, but it may have been seconds away from turning ugly:

[The link was deleted because it included at least two redirectors, the first being to a quasi-porn site. Be sure to verify links before posting.]

Assuming the grandmother was armed, would it have been lawful for her to display or shoot?

If the driver felt that their life was in danger, would it have been lawful to run over those blocking the car?

Since a passenger was ill, would the mere act of blocking them be a threat to their life and justify use of force?

Yes.

Shoot them. If that was my grandaughter there would have been dead bodies on the road. Might have been a few protesters that looked like hood ornaments.

Anygunanywhere

You would now be facing multiple felonies and could kiss seeing your grandkid goodbye then.
It does not meet the definition of self defense.

Jumping Frog wrote: My child on the way to the hospital? I am on the horn, flashing brights, and the car is moving, always moving. If they do not get out of the way, they are getting run over. Not stopping for anyone or any reason.

I could see that.
I never understand people rolling down their windows for, well much of anything like this.

Where was this at? We had a very small march here that was peaceful (that I saw from inside my building anyway). We also more than a few cops.

I also have a hard time believing that any of that "peaceful crowd of protesters" is willing to be struck by a car to prove their point. Once an angry mob starts pulling on your door handles and beating your car, you get that daughter to shoot video and you drive your way out...

Cedar Park Dad wrote:
It does not meet the definition of self defense.

Even after someone made physical contact with her?

Personally, I would consider a breaching of the vehicle or any attempt to remove me to be the point where shooting was justified, assuming that I didn't do anything to invite contact as that lady did.

rp_photo wrote:

Cedar Park Dad wrote:
It does not meet the definition of self defense.

Even after someone made physical contact with her?

Personally, I would consider a breaching of the vehicle or any attempt to remove me to be the point where shooting was justified, assuming that I didn't do anything to invite contact as that lady did.

EDIT: After re-reading I didn't find a mention of police nearby in the article. My argument on that is incorrect.

To your post then:
1) someone striking her. No I don't think thats going to work. Alternatively in that scenario I'd think (if I were driving) I'd gun it (pardon the pun) at that point to go to the hospital.
2) someone breaching the vehicle or attempting to remove you. Agreed on that. Thats an SD offense.

Cedar Park Dad wrote: If there were police there (as noted in the article) you're going to open up on them? How many rounds do you think you're going to get from those police firing at you? Seriously? Getting everyone in the vehicle killed doesn't seem like a prudent course of action to me.

Not following.

Why would she feel threatened by police or feel any need to shoot at them?

Of course there would have been considerable risk of hitting bystanders, which could have included police.

Jumping Frog wrote:

baldeagle wrote:I suggest you view the video. I doubt seriously it would have been justifiable self defense. Not to mention that you wouldn't have had nearly enough bullets to survive.

Shooting would have been idiotic in the context of the video. It was also stupid -- probably liberal guilt -- for the women to come to a stop, roll down the window, and try to explain themselves.

My child on the way to the hospital? I am on the horn, flashing brights, and the car is moving, always moving. If they do not get out of the way, they are getting run over. Not stopping for anyone or any reason.

You are nitpicking shooting but stating you would run people over?

Odd.

Anygunanywhere

gigag04 wrote:I also have a hard time believing that any of that "peaceful crowd of protesters" is willing to be struck by a car to prove their point. Once an angry mob starts pulling on your door handles and beating your car, you get that daughter to shoot video and you drive your way out...

I drive a Ford Raptor... This would be my reaction.