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School District and concealed carry
Posted: Mon Sep 02, 2013 7:48 pm
by un0fficial
I got an automated call today that they will be holding a special "Community meeting to discuss Concealed Handguns on Campus."
I will be attending, and I'm extremely curious as to what this special meeting about Concealed Handguns will be about. Could they be banning Concealed carry in vehicles? Could they be thinking about allowing teachers with CHL's to possibly carry?
Either way, I will be attending and would maybe like for some of this community to maybe give me some tips for specific scenarios.
For example, if they're trying to ban any concealed carry at all, even locked in the vehicle, can a public school do that? (After Sept. 1)
If they're trying to suggest letting teachers carry in class, (which I do support, as long as that teacher has been trained, and takes regular psychological appointments.)
I should know all the laws behind firearms on school grounds (I know you can NEVER carry inside the building, but as long as its locked in your car it's okay, right? (After Sept. 1))
Thanks Guys/Gals.
Re: School District and concealed carry
Posted: Mon Sep 02, 2013 8:19 pm
by Keith B
un0fficial wrote:I recently started substituting for a school district. I got an automated call today that they will be holding a special "Community meeting to discuss Concealed Handguns on Campus."
I will be attending, and I'm extremely curious as to what this special meeting about Concealed Handguns will be about. Could they be banning Concealed carry in vehicles? Could they be thinking about allowing teachers with CHL's to possibly carry?
Either way, I will be attending and would maybe like for some of this community to maybe give me some tips for specific scenarios.
For example, if they're trying to ban any concealed carry at all, even locked in the vehicle, can a public school do that? (After Sept. 1)
If they're trying to suggest letting teachers carry in class, (which I do support, as long as that teacher has been trained, and takes regular psychological appointments.)
I should know all the laws behind firearms on school grounds (I know you can NEVER carry inside the building, but as long as its locked in your car it's okay, right? (After Sept. 1))
Thanks Guys/Gals.
Actually, the answer is no for employees of a school district in the parking lot. Schools were given the exemption from the parking lot law in 2011, so while it is not illegal for an employee to have a legally possessed handgun locked in their vehicle on campus, they can fire you for it.
Re: School District and concealed carry
Posted: Mon Sep 02, 2013 8:23 pm
by un0fficial
Keith B wrote:un0fficial wrote:I recently started substituting for a school district. I got an automated call today that they will be holding a special "Community meeting to discuss Concealed Handguns on Campus."
I will be attending, and I'm extremely curious as to what this special meeting about Concealed Handguns will be about. Could they be banning Concealed carry in vehicles? Could they be thinking about allowing teachers with CHL's to possibly carry?
Either way, I will be attending and would maybe like for some of this community to maybe give me some tips for specific scenarios.
For example, if they're trying to ban any concealed carry at all, even locked in the vehicle, can a public school do that? (After Sept. 1)
If they're trying to suggest letting teachers carry in class, (which I do support, as long as that teacher has been trained, and takes regular psychological appointments.)
I should know all the laws behind firearms on school grounds (I know you can NEVER carry inside the building, but as long as its locked in your car it's okay, right? (After Sept. 1))
Thanks Guys/Gals.
Actually, the answer is no for employees of a school district in the parking lot. Schools were given the exemption from the parking lot law in 2011, so while it is not illegal for an employee to have a legally possessed handgun locked in their vehicle on campus, they can fire you for it.
Interesting, I haven't had my firearm on me (in my car locked away) when I go to the campus, been wanting to study up on the information before I did.
Re: School District and concealed carry
Posted: Mon Sep 02, 2013 9:07 pm
by mr surveyor
"and takes regular psychological appointments" ......
and what does this mean?
Re: School District and concealed carry
Posted: Mon Sep 02, 2013 9:15 pm
by un0fficial
mr surveyor wrote:"and takes regular psychological appointments" ......
and what does this mean?
Just every few months make sure that they're okay.. no depression, nothing that could be affecting them that could cloud their judgement, etc.
Re: School District and concealed carry
Posted: Mon Sep 02, 2013 9:25 pm
by MotherBear
un0fficial wrote:mr surveyor wrote:"and takes regular psychological appointments" ......
and what does this mean?
Just every few months make sure that they're okay.. no depression, nothing that could be affecting them that could cloud their judgement, etc.
Now see, if I thought any school district employee was in a state to need regular psychological evaluations in that vein, I'd say they shouldn't be a school district employee at all. Why is a school district employee any more likely to have psychological issues than anyone else? Why should they be subject to that? It's the same as when people say teachers shouldn't be allowed to carry because what if they have a bad day and just snap and shoot up a classroom? Seriously, anyone who's one bad day away from shooting a kid does NOT belong in a school. Or anywhere else in civilized society. What kind of psychopaths do people think the school districts are hiring, anyway?
Re: School District and concealed carry
Posted: Mon Sep 02, 2013 9:26 pm
by jmra
un0fficial wrote:mr surveyor wrote:"and takes regular psychological appointments" ......
and what does this mean?
Just every few months make sure that they're okay.. no depression, nothing that could be affecting them that could cloud their judgement, etc.
Wow. Thanks, but no thanks.
Re: School District and concealed carry
Posted: Mon Sep 02, 2013 9:27 pm
by RoyGBiv
un0fficial wrote:I recently started substituting for a school district. I got an automated call today that they will be holding a special "Community meeting to discuss Concealed Handguns on Campus."
I will be attending, and I'm extremely curious as to what this special meeting about Concealed Handguns will be about. Could they be banning Concealed carry in vehicles? Could they be thinking about allowing teachers with CHL's to possibly carry?
Either way, I will be attending and would maybe like for some of this community to maybe give me some tips for specific scenarios.
For example, if they're trying to ban any concealed carry at all, even locked in the vehicle, can a public school do that? (After Sept. 1)
If they're trying to suggest letting teachers carry in class, (which I do support, as long as that teacher has been trained, and takes regular psychological appointments.)
I should know all the laws behind firearms on school grounds (I know you can NEVER carry inside the building, but as long as its locked in your car it's okay, right? (After Sept. 1))
Thanks Guys/Gals.
Would love to know the details if it's an open meeting. Where, when?
Would like to be a fly on the wall for that.
Re: School District and concealed carry
Posted: Mon Sep 02, 2013 9:52 pm
by nightmare69
un0fficial wrote:mr surveyor wrote:"and takes regular psychological appointments" ......
and what does this mean?
Just every few months make sure that they're okay.. no depression, nothing that could be affecting them that could cloud their judgement, etc.
Who doesn't go see a shrink every other week? I've been a lot better since they put me on the pill when they let me out.
Re: School District and concealed carry
Posted: Mon Sep 02, 2013 10:00 pm
by un0fficial
jmra wrote:un0fficial wrote:mr surveyor wrote:"and takes regular psychological appointments" ......
and what does this mean?
Just every few months make sure that they're okay.. no depression, nothing that could be affecting them that could cloud their judgement, etc.
Wow. Thanks, but no thanks.
Honestly now that I think about it, yeah you guys are right. I guess I was just thinking about what the parents would want to hear.
Re: School District and concealed carry
Posted: Mon Sep 02, 2013 10:47 pm
by SewTexas
un0fficial wrote:jmra wrote:un0fficial wrote:mr surveyor wrote:"and takes regular psychological appointments" ......
and what does this mean?
Just every few months make sure that they're okay.. no depression, nothing that could be affecting them that could cloud their judgement, etc.
Wow. Thanks, but no thanks.
Honestly now that I think about it, yeah you guys are right. I guess I was just thinking about what the parents would want to hear.
to be perfectly honest.....I'd worry about a government school teacher who wasn't slightly depressed.
Re: School District and concealed carry
Posted: Mon Sep 02, 2013 10:56 pm
by SewTexas
MotherBear wrote:un0fficial wrote:mr surveyor wrote:"and takes regular psychological appointments" ......
and what does this mean?
Just every few months make sure that they're okay.. no depression, nothing that could be affecting them that could cloud their judgement, etc.
Now see, if I thought any school district employee was in a state to need regular psychological evaluations in that vein, I'd say they shouldn't be a school district employee at all. Why is a school district employee any more likely to have psychological issues than anyone else? Why should they be subject to that? It's the same as when people say teachers shouldn't be allowed to carry because what if they have a bad day and just snap and shoot up a classroom? Seriously, anyone who's one bad day away from shooting a kid does NOT belong in a school. Or anywhere else in civilized society. What kind of psychopaths do people think the school districts are hiring, anyway?
I'll say it now, 'cause I've said it over and over again, and you can quote me in the meeting, I can guarantee this will come up....if they are so worried that a teacher will "snap and shoot up a classroom full of kids" why aren't teachers snapping everyday and throwing staplers at students heads? or shoving the little ones into walls? or doing some sort of harm? sure we hear about it infrequently, but not every single night and throughout the country....if this were something to be honestly concerned about we should be hearing non-fatal incidents daily.
Re: School District and concealed carry
Posted: Mon Sep 09, 2013 8:53 pm
by treeman
Our school had a similiar public meeting a few months back and actually it went fairly well. I heard nothing about teachers "snapping" but did hear concerns about either a student taking a weapon away from a teacher or possibly somehow getting their hands on one of the weapons. The other thought that came up several times was that the teachers were nurturing and teaching types and should not be put in a position where they might have to use a weapon against a student. General concensus of the packed house meeting (probably 200 folks) was that 75 to 80% thought they could support having concealed firearms in the hands of school employees as long as they had additional training and a tight selection process.
Re: School District and concealed carry
Posted: Tue Sep 10, 2013 2:49 pm
by cb1000rider
SewTexas wrote:... or doing some sort of harm? sure we hear about it infrequently, but not every single night and throughout the country....if this were something to be honestly concerned about we should be hearing non-fatal incidents daily.
But we do hear about it. And it does happen. I wouldn't use your argument as a counter-point in this circumstance. I'm not saying that those violent events would result in a firearms incident, but those events shouldn't be happening either and pointing them out is probably going to run counter to the point that you want to make.
I'm more afraid (above) of a student being able to take a firearm off a teacher who isn't expecting it. That doesn't mean that a good holster and concealment couldn't prevent it, but it certainly could happen without.
To me it comes down to statistics that we don't have:
Does having firearms in school increase or decrease the amount of death or serious injury sustained in school? Certainly they could be used to stop someone who is doing harm, but they aren't without risk.
Re: School District and concealed carry
Posted: Tue Sep 10, 2013 8:01 pm
by jmra
cb1000rider wrote:SewTexas wrote:... or doing some sort of harm? sure we hear about it infrequently, but not every single night and throughout the country....if this were something to be honestly concerned about we should be hearing non-fatal incidents daily.
But we do hear about it. And it does happen. I wouldn't use your argument as a counter-point in this circumstance. I'm not saying that those violent events would result in a firearms incident, but those events shouldn't be happening either and pointing them out is probably going to run counter to the point that you want to make.
I'm more afraid (above) of a student being able to take a firearm off a teacher who isn't expecting it. That doesn't mean that a good holster and concealment couldn't prevent it, but it certainly could happen without.
To me it comes down to statistics that we don't have:
Does having firearms in school increase or decrease the amount of death or serious injury sustained in school? Certainly they could be used to stop someone who is doing harm, but they aren't without risk.
We've had firearms in schools for years - it's those things hanging on the belts of school resource officers.