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Military Waiver of Range Qualification?
Posted: Thu Sep 19, 2013 2:48 pm
by RossA
I just had an active duty military guy ask about my CHL class. He says that he saw in the law that active duty types can get a waiver of the range requirement. I have to admit that I've never had that question asked before, so I have two questions:
1. Is there such a waiver?
2. If so, what does he have to produce in order to receive the waiver?
Thanks in advance.
Re: Military Waiver of Range Qualification?
Posted: Thu Sep 19, 2013 3:52 pm
by kg5ie
This from DPS in response to my recent question regarding an active duty Army Ranger I had attend.
The Concealed Handgun License course consists of two (2) segments. The first is a classroom training/written exam and the other is proficiency/range training.
All applicants, military and civilian, must take and complete the classroom training/written exam with one of our certified Texas CHL instructors. This class must be attended in person. Once completed the Certificate of Training (CHL-100) form, signed off by our instructor, will need to be submitted to this department. We are not authorized to accept any out of state or military training in place of this classroom training and form. If you are currently living out of state, you are required to take this class in the state of Texas with one of our Concealed Handgun Course Instructors.
Active Military or recent honorably discharged military personnel may opt out of the proficiency/range training by submitting military range scores that have been recorded within the past 5 years. This only absolves you of the proficiency/range training requirement. You are still required to take and complete the classroom training/written exam with one of our certified Texas CHL instructors.
Re: Military Waiver of Range Qualification?
Posted: Thu Sep 19, 2013 3:53 pm
by E.Marquez
GC ยง411.1881. EXEMPTION FROM INSTRUCTION FOR CERTAIN PERSONS. (a) Notwithstanding any other provision of this subchapter, a person may not be required to complete the range instruction portion of a handgun proficiency course to obtain or renew a concealed handgun license issued under this subchapter if the person:
(1) is currently serving in or is honorably discharged from:
(A) the army, navy, air force, coast guard, or marine corps of the United States or an auxiliary service or reserve unit of one of those branches of the armed forces; or
(B) the state military forces, as defined by Section 431.001; and
(2) has, within the five years preceding the date of the person's application for an original or renewed license, as applicable, completed a course of training in handgun proficiency or familiarization as part of the person's service with the armed forces or state military forces.
(b) The director by rule shall adopt a procedure by which a license holder who is exempt under Subsection (a) from the range instruction portion of the handgun proficiency requirement may submit a form demonstrating the license holder's qualification for an exemption under that subsection. The form must provide sufficient information to allow the department to verify whether the license holder qualifies for the exemption.
Compleated range card from a pistol course of fire ought to do it.
Re: Military Waiver of Range Qualification?
Posted: Thu Sep 19, 2013 4:24 pm
by RossA
I wonder if he could show orders awarding him a pistol sharpshooter's badge?
The law is pretty vague, only saying that the director "shall adopt a procedure", but I'll be damned if I know whether that procedure has ever been adopted, or if so, what it is.
As far as range scores, I never had a record of my range scores from my Army days. We went to the range, qualified, I got orders for my badge, and never got any record of my scores to keep.
Re: Military Waiver of Range Qualification?
Posted: Thu Sep 19, 2013 7:33 pm
by sunny beach
RossA wrote:I wonder if he could show orders awarding him a pistol sharpshooter's badge?
It probably satisfies (2) if it was awarded in the past 5 years but not if it was during the Korean War.
Re: Military Waiver of Range Qualification?
Posted: Thu Sep 19, 2013 7:35 pm
by MasterOfNone
In 2011, Deadra at DPS responded to my inquiry:
I spoke with our Data Entry Supervisor and normally scorecards are not acceptable documentation but he will accept a copy of their scores from the computer.
However, students have since told me that DPS said they can submit scorecards.
A printout from MarineOnline showing qualification date has always worked, so the same from AKO should suffice.
Re: Military Waiver of Range Qualification?
Posted: Thu Sep 19, 2013 8:29 pm
by mikeloc
RossA wrote:I just had an active duty military guy ask about my CHL class. He says that he saw in the law that active duty types can get a waiver of the range requirement. I have to admit that I've never had that question asked before, so I have two questions:
1. Is there such a waiver?
2. If so, what does he have to produce in order to receive the waiver?
Thanks in advance.
I'll never understand while a military guy would opt out of the shooting section of the class. It's the most fun part of the day.
If I could opt out my preference would be the classroom. You get to shoot and don't have to pay a range fee, I'll go for it every time. And you don't have to dig up your handgun scores from military it would be included on the CHL 100 after he shoots. Semper Fi
Mike
Re: Military Waiver of Range Qualification?
Posted: Thu Sep 19, 2013 9:36 pm
by o b juan
COPy of ther DD214 showing Qual. with handgun will do..
Unless they arent teaching that part in class now.
Didnt the waiver for payment to the state and that not go into effect in 2009?"?
Re: Military Waiver of Range Qualification?
Posted: Fri Sep 20, 2013 11:26 am
by RossA
You get to shoot and don't have to pay a range fee, I'll go for it every time.[/quote]
How can you go to a range and shoot without paying a fee?
Re: Military Waiver of Range Qualification?
Posted: Fri Sep 20, 2013 11:59 am
by oohrah
yeah, seems like a whole lot more trouble, than just putting 50 rounds thru paper while you are there anyway. I assume range fee is included in the class fee.
Re: Military Waiver of Range Qualification?
Posted: Fri Sep 20, 2013 3:16 pm
by RossA
Well, if the class fee is increased to include the range fee, then you're paying for it either way.
Re: Military Waiver of Range Qualification?
Posted: Fri Sep 20, 2013 4:05 pm
by mikeloc
oohrah wrote:yeah, seems like a whole lot more trouble, than just putting 50 rounds thru paper while you are there anyway. I assume range fee is included in the class fee.
Correct most ranges were you take the class the fee with or without shooting is the same unless the instructor has to rent range time per person.
Mike
Re: Military Waiver of Range Qualification?
Posted: Fri Sep 20, 2013 4:59 pm
by switch
I suspect DPS will be real lenient on GI's proficiency. Now, they may 'state' they want range cards... What a processor accepts is a whole different animal.