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Irvin police are charging the man with negligent homicide. Details still scarce but it looks like the shooter was performing "maintenance" when he discharged his firearm. What kind of maintenance requires a loaded chamber and a trigger pull is beyond me.

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Sad situation - to be minding your own business and a bullet from a ND come through the wall.

Jaguar wrote:Irvin police are charging the man with negligent homicide. Details still scarce but it looks like the shooter was performing "maintenance" when he discharged his firearm. What kind of maintenance requires a loaded chamber and a trigger pull is beyond me.

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Sad situation - to be minding your own business and a bullet from a ND come through the wall.

Wow!!! Bad deal for sure.

Tragic.

A few years ago a similar incident happened in Beaumont. The gun owner (non CHL) from another State was showing his gun to someone when the gun "went off" striking the wall. So this genius fills the hole in the wall with toothpaste and checked out. Meanwhile, in the next room a man lay dying. When the victim's family didn't hear from him in a day or so they called the cops and his body was found in his room. Long story short the gun owner was tracked down, tried, convicted, and is now a guest of the State of Texas in one of our lovely iron bar hotels for the next 20 years. If he had reoprted the ND instead of trying to cover it up the victim may have been saved, and the gun owner wouldn't be in prison. Be responsible for your actons they affect more than you may think.

MoJo wrote:A few years ago a similar incident happened in Beaumont. The gun owner (non CHL) from another State was showing his gun to someone when the gun "went off" striking the wall. So this genius fills the hole in the wall with toothpaste and checked out. Meanwhile, in the next room a man lay dying. When the victim's family didn't hear from him in a day or so they called the cops and his body was found in his room. Long story short the gun owner was tracked down, tried, convicted, and is now a guest of the State of Texas in one of our lovely iron bar hotels for the next 20 years. If he had reoprted the ND instead of trying to cover it up the victim may have been saved, and the gun owner wouldn't be in prison. Be responsible for your actons they affect more than you may think.

Good Night Nurse! What a "maroon"! I hope he spends his life locked up for that.

It’s just stupid negligence, and that irritates me more than focused evil.

I would rather die in a pile of my own brass than have some jackwagon snipe me through the hotel wall at zero-dark-thirty because he couldn’t follow 4 simple rules.

Jaguar wrote:It’s just stupid negligence, and that irritates me more than focused evil.

I would rather die in a pile of my own brass than have some jackwagon snipe me through the hotel wall at zero-dark-thirty because he couldn’t follow 4 simple rules.

MoJo wrote:A few years ago a similar incident happened in Beaumont. The gun owner (non CHL) from another State was showing his gun to someone when the gun "went off" striking the wall. So this genius fills the hole in the wall with toothpaste and checked out. Meanwhile, in the next room a man lay dying. When the victim's family didn't hear from him in a day or so they called the cops and his body was found in his room. Long story short the gun owner was tracked down, tried, convicted, and is now a guest of the State of Texas in one of our lovely iron bar hotels for the next 20 years. If he had reoprted the ND instead of trying to cover it up the victim may have been saved, and the gun owner wouldn't be in prison. Be responsible for your actons they affect more than you may think.

This or a similar incident was made into a episode of a crime/drama TV show. Matlock, or the one with the Angela Landsbury. Man was laying in bed an bullet entered horizontally killing him instantly. ME missed bullet wound and said heart attack. Family brings in our hero to find real cause.

Have they arrested anyone? Guns don't go off accidentally ever. It's involuntary manslaughter at a minimum.

Hotels bring up an interesting decision when it comes to "pointing your weapon in a safe direction" while loading / clearing / unloading.


It may not be safe to assume the floor or ceiling are "safe directions". We all know the walls aren't "safe". Unless the hotel is concrete construction, the ceilings probably aren't either and unless you're on the ground floor, the floor probably isn't.

What is "safe" then? Toilet, bathtub...???

philip964 wrote:This or a similar incident was made into a episode of a crime/drama TV show. Matlock, or the one with the Angela Landsbury. Man was laying in bed an bullet entered horizontally killing him instantly. ME missed bullet wound and said heart attack. Family brings in our hero to find real cause.

Have they arrested anyone? Guns don't go off accidentally ever. It's involuntary manslaughter at a minimum.

Yes, accordign to NBC Channel 5 news;

Irving police quickly determined the bullet that fatally struck Reedy was fired from an adjacent room. They began questioning a man and a woman who were staying in the room and learned the man, later identified as 36-year-old Michael Shane Gray, had been working on the gun when it accidentally fired.

After talking with the pair at the Irving Police Department, officials said they believe the shooting was accidental but that it still carried a consequence. Gray was charged with criminally negligent homicide and, if convicted, he'll face up to 2 years in prison and a $10,000 fine.

RJGold wrote:Hotels bring up an interesting decision when it comes to "pointing your weapon in a safe direction" while loading / clearing / unloading.


It may not be safe to assume the floor or ceiling are "safe directions". We all know the walls aren't "safe". Unless the hotel is concrete construction, the ceilings probably aren't either and unless you're on the ground floor, the floor probably isn't.

What is "safe" then? Toilet, bathtub...???

I am thinking the least of all evils would be an outside wall, preferably the part of the wall with brick or concrete on the outside. Not the window.Unless it's a high rise with all windows. Then the window is the least of all evils. I will add that I have NEVER had any weapon go off because I was unloading it. (Let's try not to mention the Remington 700 fiasco from years ago. Never happened to me, but it was a problem.)

03Lightningrocks wrote:

RJGold wrote:Hotels bring up an interesting decision when it comes to "pointing your weapon in a safe direction" while loading / clearing / unloading.


It may not be safe to assume the floor or ceiling are "safe directions". We all know the walls aren't "safe". Unless the hotel is concrete construction, the ceilings probably aren't either and unless you're on the ground floor, the floor probably isn't.

What is "safe" then? Toilet, bathtub...???

I am thinking the least of all evils would be an outside wall, preferably the part of the wall with brick or concrete on the outside. Not the window. I will add that I have NEVER had any weapon go off because I was unloading it. (Let's try not to mention the Remington 700 fiasco from years ago. Never happened to me, but it was a problem.)

I agree - and check the area you will be sweeping through the window before proceeding. If there is a kindergarten field trip going on outside let it clear out first. Many bathtubs today are fiberglass, I wouldn't trust it to stop a bullet.

I’ve stayed in a lot of hotel rooms while armed, and never had to perform maintenance there. Just remove the holster with the gun and put it on the nightstand.

Good point.

I've never had a weapon go off inadvertently during any sort of operation (except for that one 50 cal hang fire when I was in Germany), but it seems to happen to some so I always go back to what my dad taught me about treating it like it's loaded.

At home my normal pointing location for all those operations is the base of the wall in the closet (it is an exterior wall).

How many hotels are 30.06 signed and why...?

Jaguar wrote:

03Lightningrocks wrote:

RJGold wrote:Hotels bring up an interesting decision when it comes to "pointing your weapon in a safe direction" while loading / clearing / unloading.


It may not be safe to assume the floor or ceiling are "safe directions". We all know the walls aren't "safe". Unless the hotel is concrete construction, the ceilings probably aren't either and unless you're on the ground floor, the floor probably isn't.

What is "safe" then? Toilet, bathtub...???

I am thinking the least of all evils would be an outside wall, preferably the part of the wall with brick or concrete on the outside. Not the window. I will add that I have NEVER had any weapon go off because I was unloading it. (Let's try not to mention the Remington 700 fiasco from years ago. Never happened to me, but it was a problem.)

I agree - and check the area you will be sweeping through the window before proceeding. If there is a kindergarten field trip going on outside let it clear out first. Many bathtubs today are fiberglass, I wouldn't trust it to stop a bullet.

I’ve stayed in a lot of hotel rooms while armed, and never had to perform maintenance there. Just remove the holster with the gun and put it on the nightstand.

I don't carry with a round chambered so I have a habit of clearing weapon before I holster it. Just one of the checks I go through to make sure I know the status of the weapon. It's a pretty low risk operation but I assume some who carry chambered may have a reason to unload / reload in a motel room which could carry higher risk (XDS 45?).