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The Tarrant County based chapter of Open Carry Texas is no longer part of Open Carry Texas. This is the OCT chapter that was was discussed specifically in the round table I hosted for the Open Carry Report Episode 10. http://dfw.cbslocal.com/2014/05/06/tarr ... g-too-far/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Wow. Looking at their actions, OCers wonder why people are not supportive?

Isn't this OC supporters saying that they're not supportive of more aggressive actions? Again, I think there are some moderate folk here and some common ground to be had.

Inversely there are the radicals that blowing gun owners' good reputations right out of the water.

Here's another article http://www.nbcdfw.com/news/local/Open-C ... 30901.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

I am actually glad to hear this, and CJ Grisham is surprising me with his statement.......particularly since he has his own arrest record for OC'ing without notifying the police first: https://www.youtube.com/results?search_ ... ham+arrest.

Here is the problem that Open Carry advocates have, including Open Carry Texas (this is not an attack, but my observation):

• What the movement needs is sober-minded high-profile advocates with a long track record of success in leadership positions in order to promote the cause.......people like Charles Cotton, for example, or other NRA national board members, as well as prominent politicians. However, gun rights advocates who meet all three of those criteria — a) being known for sober thinking, b) having a well-known high profile in legislative circles, and c) having a long track record of legislative successes — are all pretty much committed to the incrementalist approach to regaining our gun freedoms. For most of them, open carry is not the issue of highest priority right at this moment in time. That is NOT to say that they don't think it is important, or that they are not committed to getting us there eventually; rather it is that they see other steps which must occur first in order to consolidate the gains we've already made, and AFTER that has been completed, THEN to prep the way for acceptance and passage of open carry.

But, the OC grassroots are insistent, or impatient, or whatever you want to call it, and won't back down from the idea of open carry demonstrations as their chosen means to advance the cause. Since nature abhors a vacuum, and since most leaders like those I've described above refuse to get sucked in right now into leading the OC charge, what's happening is that movement leadership positions are filled—NOT always, but often—by people who are either politically naive, or who are for whatever other reason constitutionally unable or unwilling to behave other than as firebrands.

.....and firebrands toting scary looking black rifles with barrel shrouds and "the thing that goes up" not only don't have a prayer of converting anyone who is not already fairly committed to the cause of open carry, they are fairly likely to convince otherwise convertible people not to want to have anything to do with it. I wouldn't care about that, except that in the end, it is going to boil down to voters, and their elected representatives. All it takes.....and this is a fairly small thing....is for enough scared voters to call their otherwise pro-gun legislator and complain about OC demonstrators, and you can take it to the bank that legislator will vote against it.

If CJ Grisham begins to show additional streaks of rationality and a recognition of political realities, I will change my opinion of him accordingly. This action is a start.

The Annoyed Man wrote:I am actually glad to hear this, and CJ Grisham is surprising me with his statement.......particularly since he has his own arrest record for OC'ing without notifying the police first: https://www.youtube.com/results?search_ ... ham+arrest.

Here is the problem that Open Carry advocates have, including Open Carry Texas (this is not an attack, but my observation):

• What the movement needs is sober-minded high-profile advocates with a long track record of success in leadership positions in order to promote the cause.......people like Charles Cotton, for example, or other NRA national board members, as well as prominent politicians. However, gun rights advocates who meet all three of those criteria — a) being known for sober thinking, b) having a well-known high profile in legislative circles, and c) having a long track record of legislative successes — are all pretty much committed to the incrementalist approach to regaining our gun freedoms. For most of them, open carry is not the issue of highest priority right at this moment in time. That is NOT to say that they don't think it is important, or that they are not committed to getting us there eventually; rather it is that they see other steps which must occur first in order to consolidate the gains we've already made, and AFTER that has been completed, THEN to prep the way for acceptance and passage of open carry.

But, the OC grassroots are insistent, or impatient, or whatever you want to call it, and won't back down from the idea of open carry demonstrations as their chosen means to advance the cause. Since nature abhors a vacuum, and since most leaders like those I've described above refuse to get sucked in right now into leading the OC charge, what's happening is that movement leadership positions are filled—NOT always, but often—by people who are either politically naive, or who are for whatever other reason constitutionally unable or unwilling to behave other than as firebrands.

.....and firebrands toting scary looking black rifles with barrel shrouds and "the thing that goes up" not only don't have a prayer of converting anyone who is not already fairly committed to the cause of open carry, they are fairly likely to convince otherwise convertible people not to want to have anything to do with it. I wouldn't care about that, except that in the end, it is going to boil down to voters, and their elected representatives. All it takes.....and this is a fairly small thing....is for enough scared voters to call their otherwise pro-gun legislator and complain about OC demonstrators, and you can take it to the bank that legislator will vote against it.

If CJ Grisham begins to show additional streaks of rationality and a recognition of political realities, I will change my opinion of him accordingly. This action is a start.

Couldn't agree with you more sir. Some of the OC folks are hurting a lot more than helping our 2A cause.

Thanks alot Open Carry Texas...Tarrant County chapter JITB bans open carry in their stores. Story http://townhall.com/tipsheet/cortneyobr ... y-n1836409

I'm getting angry at their in your face attitude...on this, it won't work!

A house divided against its self can't stand. I keep being reminded of this. I hope it doesn't set back CHL changes too bad.

Remember that Mr. Greg Abott and even his opponent a very lefty-democrat Wendy Davis, both support the OC for 2015 session. And here we are split with I like OC but I do not like OC carry demos.
We need to unite and do work on both front organized public OC events and lobbying to get OC legal in Texas. United we stand, divided we falter.

Beiruty wrote:Remember that Mr. Greg Abott and even his opponent a very lefty-democrat Wendy Davis, both support the OC for 2015 session. And here we are split with I like OC but I do not like OC carry demos.
We need to unite and do work on both front organized public OC events and lobbying to get OC legal in Texas. United we stand, divided we falter.

I wish I could understand the difficult & complicated political process in Texas but alas I am dumb as a dirt clod here in Deep East Texas Piny Woods.
One thing I do know is wendy davis is no friend of gun rights & the only reason she is "For Open Carry" is she knows it does not have the proverbial snowballs chance in the summer session of '16. She wants to look like a 2A Patriot just until after election instead of the liberal progressive Washington "O" supporter she is.
I am a strong Constitution Carry advocate. That is the only permit we need. If that ever happens in my life time as a CHL Instructor I will be out of a job & I will still shout GLORY TO GOD.
As dumb as I am I still have enough sence to KNOW the incriment step by step w/ the legeslative leadership we have in Charles & Jerry Patterson & a few others is working.
Since it aint broke it dont need fixin.

Beiruty wrote:Remember that Mr. Greg Abott and even his opponent a very lefty-democrat Wendy Davis, both support the OC for 2015 session. And here we are split with I like OC but I do not like OC carry demos.
We need to unite and do work on both front organized public OC events and lobbying to get OC legal in Texas. United we stand, divided we falter.

First off we need to stage a protest calling for legalization of handgun OC. We need to do it without using the in your face tactics, and avoid repeating tactics to the point they get the response of "Yawn..."

So lets use the mythical "Texans United For Open Carry" group, which would possibly be known as TU4OC. Lets say there is a comic convention or Star Wars convention in town the group could walk around dressed up as male and female versions of Han Solo with a banana in the holster with a few dressed as a robot that would be called 2-4-OC. The group would catch the attention of the convention goers and they would look into the issue.

The next week get everybody together, call the media, go to the park and do a "pushing up for OC" event where the protesters each do up to one push up for each year that OC has been banned.

The next week do something different. The more unusual the better it is for catching the medias attention and leave the long guns at home because you don't want them to be the subject of the media coverage.

Beiruty wrote:Remember that Mr. Greg Abott and even his opponent a very lefty-democrat Wendy Davis, both support the OC for 2015 session. And here we are split with I like OC but I do not like OC carry demos.
We need to unite and do work on both front organized public OC events and lobbying to get OC legal in Texas. United we stand, divided we falter.

OC of long guns to promote the passage of handgun OC is just plain stupid and has proven to be counter productive. Why would I unite with a group that is bent on behaving in a manner that is detrimental to something I believe in?
When they want to get serious about doing constructive things to pass handgun OC we can talk. I'm not holding my breath.

What truly bothers me about long gun OCers is they remind me of the bullies in school. They strut around acting big and tuff but if it ever came down to actually fighting with those long guns to keep our 2A rights they would be the first to tuck tail and run.

Oki

G.A. Heath wrote:

Beiruty wrote:Remember that Mr. Greg Abott and even his opponent a very lefty-democrat Wendy Davis, both support the OC for 2015 session. And here we are split with I like OC but I do not like OC carry demos.
We need to unite and do work on both front organized public OC events and lobbying to get OC legal in Texas. United we stand, divided we falter.

First off we need to stage a protest calling for legalization of handgun OC. We need to do it without using the in your face tactics, and avoid repeating tactics to the point they get the response of "Yawn..."

So lets use the mythical "Texans United For Open Carry" group, which would possibly be known as TU4OC. Lets say there is a comic convention or Star Wars convention in town the group could walk around dressed up as male and female versions of Han Solo with a banana in the holster with a few dressed as a robot that would be called 2-4-OC. The group would catch the attention of the convention goers and they would look into the issue.

The next week get everybody together, call the media, go to the park and do a "pushing up for OC" event where the protesters each do up to one push up for each year that OC has been banned.

The next week do something different. The more unusual the better it is for catching the medias attention and leave the long guns at home because you don't want them to be the subject of the media coverage.

That is actually a reasoned response, and those are good ideas.

The Annoyed Man wrote: Oki

G.A. Heath wrote:

Beiruty wrote:Remember that Mr. Greg Abott and even his opponent a very lefty-democrat Wendy Davis, both support the OC for 2015 session. And here we are split with I like OC but I do not like OC carry demos.
We need to unite and do work on both front organized public OC events and lobbying to get OC legal in Texas. United we stand, divided we falter.

First off we need to stage a protest calling for legalization of handgun OC. We need to do it without using the in your face tactics, and avoid repeating tactics to the point they get the response of "Yawn..."

So lets use the mythical "Texans United For Open Carry" group, which would possibly be known as TU4OC. Lets say there is a comic convention or Star Wars convention in town the group could walk around dressed up as male and female versions of Han Solo with a banana in the holster with a few dressed as a robot that would be called 2-4-OC. The group would catch the attention of the convention goers and they would look into the issue.

The next week get everybody together, call the media, go to the park and do a "pushing up for OC" event where the protesters each do up to one push up for each year that OC has been banned.

The next week do something different. The more unusual the better it is for catching the medias attention and leave the long guns at home because you don't want them to be the subject of the media coverage.

That is actually a reasoned response, and those are good ideas.

All great ideas that I could support.

The Annoyed Man wrote:
If CJ Grisham begins to show additional streaks of rationality and a recognition of political realities, I will change my opinion of him accordingly. This action is a start.

I guess but his pushing of an absurd bill with no chance of passing, besides being written poorly, shows all signs of being an ego driven effort on his part. I mean really he names it after the cop who arrested him?