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The Myth Behind Defensive Gun Ownership
Posted: Thu Jan 15, 2015 7:32 pm
by gthaustex
Another article trotting out the same tired arguments. They cite a couple of examples of bad gun handling resulting in injury or death and then extrapolate that to the public at large. They then turn around and claim that arguments made by John Lott et. al. are invalid for exactly the same reason...extrapolation. Sigh......
http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/ ... LhbDk3nbcs
Re: The Myth Behind Defensive Gun Ownership
Posted: Fri Jan 16, 2015 3:37 am
by Dadtodabone
just silly.
Re: The Myth Behind Defensive Gun Ownership
Posted: Fri Jan 16, 2015 11:00 am
by VMI77
Everything out of the mouth or "mind" of a liberal or an anti-gunner is a lie. The ones that write articles like this know they're liars. The ones that read such articles and believe them want to believe and dare not question the lies because they're not pathological enough to consciously repeat them, yet are still desperate to validate their biases.
Re: The Myth Behind Defensive Gun Ownership
Posted: Fri Jan 16, 2015 7:36 pm
by MechAg94
It appears most of the comments I saw do not agree with the article.
Re: The Myth Behind Defensive Gun Ownership
Posted: Sat Jan 17, 2015 1:11 pm
by Dadtodabone
AndyC wrote:I left this:
So, this author rejects Dr Kleck's study and statistics. Dr Kleck, by the way, revealed (In his 1997 book, Targeting Guns) that:
... he is a member of several liberal organizations, including the American Civil Liberties Union, Amnesty International, and Democrats 2000. He is registered as an active Democrat and has contributed financially to the campaigns of Democrat political candidates. He is not a member of the National Rifle Association, or any other pro-gun organization.
So Dr Kleck, an avowed Liberal and non-NRA guy crunches the numbers and comes up with pro-gun results - and this author doesn't like it? The author of this hit-piece mentions Prof David Hemenway's rebuke of Kleck's study - but
conveniently leaves out Dr Kleck's counter-reponse to that rebuke here:
https://www.saf.org/journal/11/kleckfinal.htm" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Pay attention to section 4 where he tears Prof Hemenway to shreds.
Well Done!
Re: The Myth Behind Defensive Gun Ownership
Posted: Sat Jan 17, 2015 9:12 pm
by VoiceofReason
To begin with
"They surveyed 5,000 individuals, asking them if they had used a firearm in self-defense in the past year and, if so, for what reason and to what effect."
People don’t usually purchase a gun and have it for one year. Most guns are bought and kept for a few years or a lifetime.
A person may not have used a gun for self defense within the last year but have used it 43 (random number) times since they bought it.
This study started out to support a foregone conclusion and with a lot of work distorting the facts succeeded.
Re: The Myth Behind Defensive Gun Ownership
Posted: Sat Jan 17, 2015 10:40 pm
by Pawpaw
So now the libs have resorted to eating their own. Why am I not surprised?
Re: The Myth Behind Defensive Gun Ownership
Posted: Sun Jan 18, 2015 9:24 am
by Pawpaw
AndyC wrote:They seem to think the NRA made up those stats - I just wanted to inject a little truth into their world, that it was an avowed Democrat, non-NRA researcher who worked out those numbers
I think it's a safe bet that they don't believe that, but they want the typical (read "low-information") voter to believe it.
Re: The Myth Behind Defensive Gun Ownership
Posted: Sun Jan 18, 2015 9:46 am
by VoiceofReason
AndyC wrote:Caught lying red-handed:
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Armed with reason-and shooting blanks.
