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Waco negligent discharge

Posted: Fri Jan 23, 2015 11:29 pm
by treadlightly
Just curious - was it a Glock?

http://www.kwtx.com/home/headlines/2895 ... =phone&c=y" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Re: Waco negligent discharge

Posted: Sat Jan 24, 2015 12:00 am
by Waco1959
I think the Waco PD used to issue .40 Glocks. I haven't been around any officers lately to notice.

Re: Waco negligent discharge

Posted: Sat Jan 24, 2015 12:36 am
by The Annoyed Man
treadlightly wrote:Just curious - was it a Glock?

http://www.kwtx.com/home/headlines/2895 ... =phone&c=y" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
No. It was an idiot.

Re: Waco negligent discharge

Posted: Sat Jan 24, 2015 2:29 am
by SRH78
The Annoyed Man wrote:
treadlightly wrote:Just curious - was it a Glock?

http://www.kwtx.com/home/headlines/2895 ... =phone&c=y" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
No. It was an idiot.
:iagree:

Wait, which idiot? The one with the ND or the one that wrote this gem?

"A Waco police officer’s weapon accidentally discharged"

Re: Waco negligent discharge

Posted: Sat Jan 24, 2015 6:10 am
by jmra
The Annoyed Man wrote:
treadlightly wrote:Just curious - was it a Glock?

http://www.kwtx.com/home/headlines/2895 ... =phone&c=y" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
No. It was an idiot.
:iagree:

Re: Waco negligent discharge

Posted: Sat Jan 24, 2015 9:05 am
by carlson1
Swanton said investigators believe as the Waco officer was returning his sidearm to its holster, the keys he had in his hand somehow caught on the pistol’s trigger and discharged the weapon.
Sounds as if he was in a hurry and wasn't paying attention to reholstering.

Re: Waco negligent discharge

Posted: Sat Jan 24, 2015 9:32 am
by Keith B
This is a perfect example of why we need to eliminate as many off-limits locations as possible. Having to take your firearm off and on or in and out of a holster discretely so no one sees you is just an accident waiting to happen.

Re: Waco negligent discharge

Posted: Sat Jan 24, 2015 10:16 am
by cb1000rider
Keith B wrote:This is a perfect example of why we need to eliminate as many off-limits locations as possible. Having to take your firearm off and on or in and out of a holster discretely so no one sees you is just an accident waiting to happen.
That's a position I wouldn't want to argue.. We need fewer off limits locations so we decrease the probably of an accident.... I get it, but it's a tough position.

Re: Waco negligent discharge

Posted: Sat Jan 24, 2015 10:23 am
by TVGuy
Keith B wrote:This is a perfect example of why we need to eliminate as many off-limits locations as possible. Having to take your firearm off and on or in and out of a holster discretely so no one sees you is just an accident waiting to happen.
I would argue it is a perfect example of why journalists need to use proper grammar and spelling.

Re: Waco negligent discharge

Posted: Sat Jan 24, 2015 10:31 am
by patterson
Its been said before not all LEOs are gun people, they maybe carry daily but some rarely shoot except for qualifications

Re: Waco negligent discharge

Posted: Sat Jan 24, 2015 10:34 am
by Keith B
TVGuy wrote:
Keith B wrote:This is a perfect example of why we need to eliminate as many off-limits locations as possible. Having to take your firearm off and on or in and out of a holster discretely so no one sees you is just an accident waiting to happen.
I would argue it is a perfect example of why journalists need to use proper grammar and spelling.
Don't follow you on this? :headscratch

Re: Waco negligent discharge

Posted: Sat Jan 24, 2015 10:50 am
by treadlightly
This is a perfect example of why we need to eliminate as many off-limits locations as possible. Having to take your firearm off and on or in and out of a holster discretely so no one sees you is just an accident waiting to happen.
Good point, and I wasn't intending to blame the Glock. I do believe they require more careful handling than other designs because something pushing on the trigger defeats the safeties.

My kids (adults) have heard me tell them many times two of the most dangerous things they will ever do is draw and holster.

I have a Kahr PM9 that I like for a carry gun, if my CHL will ever actually arrive. It requires, like any gun, informed handling. Like the Glock, whatever engages the trigger fires the gun.

Forgive me my sins, but I have adopted the practice of putting my finger behind the trigger when I holster my PM9, and I holster slowly, with care.

Nothing should go inside the trigger guard when not intending to fire, I get that, but I'm a little paranoid about pushing the gun against holster friction without some means of making certain the trigger isn't being pushed back. As a compromise, I carefully block the trigger with the meat of my finger between the trigger and the frame - behind the trigger, to get a tactile report if the trigger starts to move back.

Of course, if I put my finger ahead of the trigger, the lip of the holster will push my finger against the trigger and I'll fire it in a very stupid manner.

On the other hand, holstering commonly violates the rule against pointing the muzzle at anything you don't intend to destroy, and at close range the bullet isn't the only hazard coming out of the muzzle. My overly fattened buttocks would be no match against the blowtorch of muzzle flare.

Thank goodness there were no serious injuries.

Re: Waco negligent discharge

Posted: Sat Jan 24, 2015 10:56 am
by TVGuy
Keith B wrote:
TVGuy wrote:
Keith B wrote:This is a perfect example of why we need to eliminate as many off-limits locations as possible. Having to take your firearm off and on or in and out of a holster discretely so no one sees you is just an accident waiting to happen.
I would argue it is a perfect example of why journalists need to use proper grammar and spelling.
Don't follow you on this? :headscratch
Numerous spelling and grammatical errors in the article, uses both "sally port" and "Sallie Port" as an example. It's my business and a huge pet peeve to see garbage like that. Obvious reporter didn't even use spell check. Definitely didn't proof read.

Re: Waco negligent discharge

Posted: Sat Jan 24, 2015 12:09 pm
by nyj
treadlightly wrote:Just curious - was it a Glock?

http://www.kwtx.com/home/headlines/2895 ... =phone&c=y" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
What does a Glock have to do with it? Glocks don't go off on their own.

Re: Waco negligent discharge

Posted: Sat Jan 24, 2015 12:52 pm
by treadlightly
What does a Glock have to do with it? Glocks don't go off on their own.
Quite true. I wonder if Glocks are good police duty weapons, though, because they feature a short trigger pull on a gun that does not have an independent safety. They are very well made guns. Pulling the trigger disengages the trigger block safety, which I think is there for drop safety, not to harden the gun against negligent discharge.

All said without more than casual experience with Glocks, and I can see how what appears risky may not be. A cocked and locked .45 looks scary, but many striker fired guns are just as cocked without showing a hammer to advertise the fact.

My personal tastes run to guns with safeties that are independent of the trigger, at least for carry purposes.

I know many authorities with much more experience than I highly recommend Glocks.