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Why the gun IS civilization

Posted: Wed Jun 13, 2007 6:23 pm
by CWOOD
I generally dislike forwarded emails but somehow this one seems to be an exception.

It was forward to me by William "Wild Bill" Callahan who is a friend and fellow sprot shooter in San Antonio. Bill was one of my first contacts in the sport of IDPA and his skill, courtesy, and kindness to me and my youngest daughter is a large part of why I still shoot IDPA. He is also involved in IPSC, steel matches and Cowboy Action shooting.

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Subject: WHY THE GUN IS CIVILIZATION



WHY THE GUN IS CIVILIZATION

Forwarded By Maj. L. Caudill USMC (Ret)

Human beings only have two ways to deal with one another: reason and
force. If you want me to do something for you, you have a choice of
either convincing me via argument, or force me to do your bidding
under threat of force. Every human interaction falls into one of those
two categories, without exception. Reason or force, that's it.

In a truly moral and civilized society, people exclusively interact
through persuasion. Force has no place as a valid method of social
interaction, and the only thing that removes force from the menu is
the personal firearm, as paradoxical as it may sound to some.

When I carry a gun, you cannot deal with me by force. You have to use
reason and try to persuade me, because I have a way to negate your
threat or employment of force. The gun is the only personal weapon
that puts a 100-pound woman on equal footing with a 220-pound mugger,
a 75-year old retiree on equal footing with a 19-year old gang banger,
and a single gay guy on equal footing with a carload of drunk guys
with baseball bats. The gun removes the disparity in physical
strength, size, or numbers between a potential attacker and a
defender.

There are plenty of people who consider the gun as the source of bad
force equations. These are the people who think that we'd be more
civilized if all guns were removed from society, because a firearm
makes it easier for a [armed] mugger to do his job. That, of course,
is only true if the mugger's potential victims are mostly disarmed
either by choice or by legislative fiat--it has no validity when most
of a mugger's potential marks are armed. People who argue for the
banning of arms ask for automatic rule by the young, the strong, and
the many, and that's the exact opposite of a civilized society. A
mugger, even an armed one, can only make a successful living in a
society where the state has granted him a force monopoly.

Then there's the argument that the gun makes confrontations lethal
that otherwise would only result in injury. This argument is
fallacious in several ways. Without guns involved, confrontations are
won by the physically superior party inflicting overwhelming injury on
the loser. People who think that fists, bats, sticks, or stones don't
constitute lethal force watch too much TV, where people take beatings
and come out of it with a bloody lip at worst. The fact that the gun
makes lethal force easier works solely in favor of the weaker
defender, not the stronger attacker. If both are armed, the field is
level. The gun is the only weapon that's as lethal in the hands of an
octogenarian as it is in the hands of a weight lifter. It simply
wouldn't work as well as a force equalizer if it wasn't both lethal
and easily employable.

When I carry a gun, I don't do so because I am looking for a fight,
but because I'm looking to be left alone. The gun at my side means
that I cannot be forced, only persuaded. I don't carry it because I'm
afraid, but because it enables me to be unafraid. It doesn't limit the
actions of those who would interact with me through reason, only the
actions of those who would do so by force. It removes force from the
equation...and that's why carrying a gun is a civilized act.

Posted: Wed Jun 13, 2007 6:50 pm
by Tajovo
I'm not a fan of forwarded e-mail either, but I'm very tempted to forward it to some friends of mine. Think I will. Thanks for posting it CWOOD.

Posted: Wed Jun 13, 2007 10:16 pm
by quidni
You need to credit the original source:

the munchkin wrangler.: why the gun is civilization, posted Friday, March 23, 2007.

Marko's entire blog is an interesting read.

Posted: Thu Jun 14, 2007 5:59 pm
by KRM45
quidni wrote:You need to credit the original source:

the munchkin wrangler.: why the gun is civilization, posted Friday, March 23, 2007.

Marko's entire blog is an interesting read.
I don't mean any offense, but I am more inclined to believe that a Marine Major is the original source rather thanthis munchkin guy.

Posted: Thu Jun 14, 2007 6:39 pm
by Liberty
KRM45 wrote:
quidni wrote:You need to credit the original source:

the munchkin wrangler.: why the gun is civilization, posted Friday, March 23, 2007.

Marko's entire blog is an interesting read.
I don't mean any offense, but I am more inclined to believe that a Marine Major is the original source rather thanthis munchkin guy.
The Original post claims "Forwarded By Maj. L. Caudill USMC (Ret)" which means that the Major received the email from someone and sent it on. There is no where in the posting that claims the good Major pened this himself. The Munchkin wrangler is reputable blogger, He happens to be a retired Airborne Ranger.
Just because he uses a funny pen name and was an Army solder instead of a Marine Major doesn't mean he would be any less capable of such a well written essay. Bloggers do this all the time!!!

Posted: Thu Jun 14, 2007 8:26 pm
by CWOOD
quidni wrote:You need to credit the original source:

the munchkin wrangler.: why the gun is civilization, posted Friday, March 23, 2007.

Marko's entire blog is an interesting read.
Never knew of an "original source".

Nothing ill intended.

Posted: Thu Jun 14, 2007 9:35 pm
by Jungle Work
Without Firearms, Civiliation revert to the Law of the Jungle. Where the biggest and baddest rules. Not the nicest, not the most intelligent, and not the best spoken. The Biggest and the Baddest.

Jungle Work

Posted: Fri Jun 15, 2007 7:25 am
by KRM45
Liberty wrote:[ The Munchkin wrangler is reputable blogger, He happens to be a retired Airborne Ranger.
No doubt he is a reputable blogger. He seems to have a good following. Being a retired Ranger at the age of 35 is impressive too.

Re: Why the gun IS civilization

Posted: Fri Jun 15, 2007 11:27 am
by Sara_XD
When I carry a gun, I don't do so because I am looking for a fight,
but because I'm looking to be left alone. The gun at my side means
that I cannot be forced, only persuaded. I don't carry it because I'm
afraid, but because it enables me to be unafraid
. It doesn't limit the
actions of those who would interact with me through reason, only the
actions of those who would do so by force. It removes force from the
equation...and that's why carrying a gun is a civilized act.

I know someone who needs to read this and believe it.

Posted: Fri Jun 15, 2007 3:47 pm
by Jeremae
Marko is the originator of this essay.

Posted: Fri Jun 15, 2007 4:12 pm
by Mage34
Regardless of whom the original author is, I agree whole heartedly with this post.......

Posted: Mon Jun 18, 2007 9:36 am
by pax
Marko Kloos is the original writer of this essay, as noted here: http://munchkinwrangler.blogspot.com/20 ... arism.html

If you forward this essay any further, please attribute it to the original author, Marko Kloos. (Not angry, just bolded so it can be seen at a glance by folks not reading closely.)

Marko put the original up in March; the copy just started making the rounds last week. And it absolutely matches his writing style and mindset. Plus, I've known him online for over 7 years and know him to be an honest person.

Please don't be responsible for forwarding the mistake any further.

Thanks!

pax