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Juveniles car
Posted: Mon Aug 03, 2015 2:35 pm
by switch
I realize federal age limit for juveniles is 18 - unless they have written permission of a parent, while hunting, fishing or agricultural activities. (Is this like 922, The GFSZA? Very seldom (never?) prosecuted?)
Suppose I give my 17 year old a letter and a gun for the glove box. If stopped by an FBI agent she is supposed to remain silent and our attorney will argue she was going fishing. :)
Now, under TX law, if I allow a child, under 17, access to a 'readily dischargeable firearm' (read 'loaded'), then it's a Class C misdemeanor. Suppose I give her a Glock (empty) and a loaded magazine for her glove box. "Don't load it unless you have to." and a letter w/my permission. Are we golden?
I just realized - Class C??? Anyone know what the likely fine is for allowing a 16 year old access to a loaded firearm? Still, Class C??? Will NOT affect MY CHL? Give her a gun for her protection and pay the fine, if needed.
What am I missing?
Re: Juveniles car
Posted: Mon Aug 03, 2015 3:19 pm
by twomillenium
A class C and pay the fine. What about the endangering a minor charge? Have you consulted your psychiatrist? If not you should and if you don't have one then get one.
Re: Juveniles car
Posted: Mon Aug 03, 2015 3:46 pm
by sjfcontrol
twomillenium wrote:A class C and pay the fine. What about the endangering a minor charge? Have you consulted your psychiatrist? If not you should and if you don't have one then get one.
Really? Consulting a lawyer might be more enlightening.
Re: Juveniles car
Posted: Mon Aug 03, 2015 3:49 pm
by Javier730
sjfcontrol wrote:twomillenium wrote:A class C and pay the fine. What about the endangering a minor charge? Have you consulted your psychiatrist? If not you should and if you don't have one then get one.
Really? Consulting a lawyer might be more enlightening.
sounds like something an anti would say.
Re: Juveniles car
Posted: Mon Aug 03, 2015 4:15 pm
by carlson1
twomillenium wrote:. . . Have you consulted your psychiatrist? If not you should and if you don't have one then get one.
I am curious why should he consult a psychiatrist?
Re: Juveniles car
Posted: Mon Aug 03, 2015 4:29 pm
by switch
Endangering a minor? If my 16 year old daughter has to drive home at midnight from work, a library, a party, etc., who had endangered her? Me, that trained her and gave her a gun to defend herself w/(By the way, that's a defense against the Class C charge) or the anti-gunners that would rather see her raped/murdered than allow her to defend herself.
Granted, you may NOT want to arm your kids - you know them better than I do. :) Mine are trained and armed.
My soon to be ex asked me one time, the boys were 6 and 12, and I had a loaded gun lock in a case:L "Do you know your sons know how to open that case?" 'Sure, I gave them the combination.' "What did you do that for?" She asked. 'They might have to shoot someone. I did not lock up my guns to keep them away from my boys, I locked them up to keep them away from you.' I answered. :)
Re: Juveniles car
Posted: Mon Aug 03, 2015 4:36 pm
by sjfcontrol
switch wrote: I did not lock up my guns to keep them away from my boys, I locked them up to keep them away from you.' I answered. :)
NOW I understand the "soon to be ex" comment.
Re: Juveniles car
Posted: Mon Aug 03, 2015 6:44 pm
by Javier730
sjfcontrol wrote:switch wrote: I did not lock up my guns to keep them away from my boys, I locked them up to keep them away from you.' I answered. :)
NOW I understand the "soon to be ex" comment.
Re: Juveniles car
Posted: Mon Aug 03, 2015 10:35 pm
by mojo84
What's more deadly, a gun or vehicle?
Re: Juveniles car
Posted: Tue Aug 04, 2015 3:43 pm
by Salty1
My concern would not be your daughter as it seems that you have prepared her well. How about her friends and friends of friends. Kids talk and somebody is bound to know or find out that a gun is in her vehicle and make it a target to be stolen....
Re: Juveniles car
Posted: Tue Aug 04, 2015 5:50 pm
by switch
I'll train them too, if they want.
The solution is to allow her to get her CHL and carry like I do. Never have to leave the gun in the car. :)
Re: Juveniles car
Posted: Tue Aug 04, 2015 9:05 pm
by Keith B
switch wrote:I'll train them too, if they want.
The solution is to allow her to get her CHL and carry like I do. Never have to leave the gun in the car. :)
I would be concerned with the friends as well. Kids switch friends frequently, and also have other kids in the car so trying to train them all will be tough. And, if she is only 17, then you have 4 years before she can get a CHL.
My nephew ran into this issue a few years ago. Had been out target practicing and left gun under seat. Went into quick stop and friends got gun out and were waving it around in the car. Someone saw them and called in man with a gun. Luckily the only one that got in trouble was the friend, but still it happened. And this was in an open carry state, so the only thing he got was a ticket for brandishing (an actual offense in Missouri).
Re: Juveniles car
Posted: Tue Aug 04, 2015 10:52 pm
by Topbuilder
The original post seeks information on the penalty associated with what amounts to an illegal act. It should have suffocated due to lack of oxygen...
Re: Juveniles car
Posted: Sat Aug 08, 2015 9:59 am
by switch
I was told in another forum that that juvenile could be charged if under 18 w/a gun. They were talking about TX laws too, not fed.
I'm surprised that DPS has NEVER covered that w/instructors. :(
Re: Juveniles car
Posted: Sat Aug 08, 2015 10:04 am
by sjfcontrol
switch wrote:I was told in another forum that that juvenile could be charged if under 18 w/a gun. They were talking about TX laws too, not fed.
I'm surprised that DPS has NEVER covered that w/instructors. :(
It's covered in class...
Penal Code Sec. 46.13. MAKING A FIREARM ACCESSIBLE TO A CHILD. (a) In this section:
(1) "Child" means a person younger than 17 years of age.
(b) A person commits an offense if a child gains access to a readily dischargeable firearm and the person with criminal negligence:
(1) failed to secure the firearm; or
(2) left the firearm in a place to which the person knew or should have known the child would gain access.
(c) It is an affirmative defense to prosecution under this section that the child's access to the firearm:
(1) was supervised by a person older than 18 years of age and was for hunting, sporting, or other lawful purposes;
(2) consisted of lawful defense by the child of people or property;
(3) was gained by entering property in violation of this code; or
(4) occurred during a time when the actor was engaged in an agricultural enterprise.
(d) Except as provided by Subsection (e), an offense under this section is a Class C misdemeanor.
(e) An offense under this section is a Class A misdemeanor if the child discharges the firearm and causes death or serious bodily injury to himself or another person.