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A verteran's truck is stolen, he puts up a sign:

http://www.fox4news.com/news/85757757-story

Of course, he's venting and I don't blame him, but I doubt that the thief will be shamed at all even if he does see that or that his mom will even know that her son did that unless he's caught.

Saw this story on the news this morning...
I hope he feels better after doing that. Unlikely he'll shame the dirtbag into returning it,

Less than 0.5% of the population have served in the military. Just look at those running for President. Gilmore served but who else? Probably we will see that women now will have to register at age 18. Finally! 99.5% know nothing about the forces that have preserved their freedom and therefore that freedom has less value. I believe that some compulsory service should be required of all ( male and females) somewhat like they do in Israel. It doesn't have to be for years, perhaps a boot camp situation, maybe 3 months- but at least learn what it takes to keep freedom.

rotor wrote:Less than 0.5% of the population have served in the military. Just look at those running for President. Gilmore served but who else? Probably we will see that women now will have to register at age 18. Finally! 99.5% know nothing about the forces that have preserved their freedom and therefore that freedom has less value. I believe that some compulsory service should be required of all ( male and females) somewhat like they do in Israel. It doesn't have to be for years, perhaps a boot camp situation, maybe 3 months- but at least learn what it takes to keep freedom.

Here's a modest proposal. It combines the call for tuition free universities with the benefits of compulsory service.

All college students can get their tuition deferred if they enlist in the National Guard / Reserves while in school. Basic training the summer after high school, one weekend a month during school and then 2 weeks each summer. If the students graduate, and complete OCS, they will have $20,000 of their deferred tuition liability waived for each year of successful service as an officer in the NG/Reserves.

Soccerdad1995 wrote:

rotor wrote:Less than 0.5% of the population have served in the military. Just look at those running for President. Gilmore served but who else? Probably we will see that women now will have to register at age 18. Finally! 99.5% know nothing about the forces that have preserved their freedom and therefore that freedom has less value. I believe that some compulsory service should be required of all ( male and females) somewhat like they do in Israel. It doesn't have to be for years, perhaps a boot camp situation, maybe 3 months- but at least learn what it takes to keep freedom.

Here's a modest proposal. It combines the call for tuition free universities with the benefits of compulsory service.

All college students can get their tuition deferred if they enlist in the National Guard / Reserves while in school. Basic training the summer after high school, one weekend a month during school and then 2 weeks each summer. If the students graduate, and complete OCS, they will have $20,000 of their deferred tuition liability waived for each year of successful service as an officer in the NG/Reserves.

I like that idea. Brings back the old GI bill type program. But it really only does something for those with the brains for college and the rich kids don't serve. I still like the old "ask not what your country can do for you, ask what you can do for your country" phrase and that was a democrat.

rotor wrote:

Soccerdad1995 wrote:

rotor wrote:Less than 0.5% of the population have served in the military. Just look at those running for President. Gilmore served but who else? Probably we will see that women now will have to register at age 18. Finally! 99.5% know nothing about the forces that have preserved their freedom and therefore that freedom has less value. I believe that some compulsory service should be required of all ( male and females) somewhat like they do in Israel. It doesn't have to be for years, perhaps a boot camp situation, maybe 3 months- but at least learn what it takes to keep freedom.

Here's a modest proposal. It combines the call for tuition free universities with the benefits of compulsory service.

All college students can get their tuition deferred if they enlist in the National Guard / Reserves while in school. Basic training the summer after high school, one weekend a month during school and then 2 weeks each summer. If the students graduate, and complete OCS, they will have $20,000 of their deferred tuition liability waived for each year of successful service as an officer in the NG/Reserves.

I like that idea. Brings back the old GI bill type program. But it really only does something for those with the brains for college and the rich kids don't serve. I still like the old "ask not what your country can do for you, ask what you can do for your country" phrase and that was a democrat.

Good point. We could open the program up to everyone by paying an extra annual stipend for service as opposed to tuition forgiveness.

I also think that if we are going to raise the minimum wage to $15 an hour, we need to make sure our military is paid at least twice that. Make it simple and just index military pay scales to 2X the federal minimum wage.

Soccerdad1995 wrote:

rotor wrote:Less than 0.5% of the population have served in the military. Just look at those running for President. Gilmore served but who else? Probably we will see that women now will have to register at age 18. Finally! 99.5% know nothing about the forces that have preserved their freedom and therefore that freedom has less value. I believe that some compulsory service should be required of all ( male and females) somewhat like they do in Israel. It doesn't have to be for years, perhaps a boot camp situation, maybe 3 months- but at least learn what it takes to keep freedom.

Here's a modest proposal. It combines the call for tuition free universities with the benefits of compulsory service.

All college students can get their tuition deferred if they enlist in the National Guard / Reserves while in school. Basic training the summer after high school, one weekend a month during school and then 2 weeks each summer. If the students graduate, and complete OCS, they will have $20,000 of their deferred tuition liability waived for each year of successful service as an officer in the NG/Reserves.

Not bad, but what will we do with all those officers? I'd limit the commissioned ranks to those graduating in the top 5% of their class.

G26ster wrote:

Soccerdad1995 wrote:

rotor wrote:Less than 0.5% of the population have served in the military. Just look at those running for President. Gilmore served but who else? Probably we will see that women now will have to register at age 18. Finally! 99.5% know nothing about the forces that have preserved their freedom and therefore that freedom has less value. I believe that some compulsory service should be required of all ( male and females) somewhat like they do in Israel. It doesn't have to be for years, perhaps a boot camp situation, maybe 3 months- but at least learn what it takes to keep freedom.

Here's a modest proposal. It combines the call for tuition free universities with the benefits of compulsory service.

All college students can get their tuition deferred if they enlist in the National Guard / Reserves while in school. Basic training the summer after high school, one weekend a month during school and then 2 weeks each summer. If the students graduate, and complete OCS, they will have $20,000 of their deferred tuition liability waived for each year of successful service as an officer in the NG/Reserves.

Not bad, but what will we do with all those officers? I'd limit the commissioned ranks to those graduating in the top 5% of their class.

Good point. As a former enlisted man, I think we had too many officers as-is.

We could make the OCS part optional. It is 90 days, so I'm guessing a fair amount of new college grads would rather skip that and just be enlisted for their one weekend a month. Maybe also limit OCS eligibility to certain majors and GPA's.

Not everyone can handle military service. However, compulsory public service is a good idea, but not for college financing or any other free stuff. Someone has to pay for it. I'm tired of paying for other people free stuff. When you advocate free stuff you sound like Sanders.

Soccerdad1995 wrote:
Good point. As a former enlisted man, I think we had too many officers as-is.

We could make the OCS part optional. It is 90 days, so I'm guessing a fair amount of new college grads would rather skip that and just be enlisted for their one weekend a month. Maybe also limit OCS eligibility to certain majors and GPA's.

I don't know how it is now, but in my day, OCS was 180 days. ROTC grads went to a 12 week Officers Basic Course, not OCS, as they were already commissioned when they attended. I was enlisted (Army) thru SSG (E-6), then went to OCS and took a demotion to 2LT but stayed in thru CPT (0-3)

anygunanywhere wrote:Not everyone can handle military service. However, compulsory public service is a good idea, but not for college financing or any other free stuff. Someone has to pay for it. I'm tired of paying for other people free stuff. When you advocate free stuff you sound like Sanders.

True, not everyone can do military service so there are alternative things that still serve your country. I don't consider a program like the GI bill a freebie. The military pay is low, you give up essential freedoms, you may be killed in action, your health care benefits are not that great and you don't have the ability to quit and leave. For that low benefit ratio you could be earning "benefits" when you get out. Better to serve then live in the slums on food stamps and government assistance. Unfortunately, during the Viet Nam war they tried the 100,000 man experiment and those that would be your average gang banger on welfare couldn't make it in the service either. They still should be required to have some service for their country.

rotor wrote:

anygunanywhere wrote:Not everyone can handle military service. However, compulsory public service is a good idea, but not for college financing or any other free stuff. Someone has to pay for it. I'm tired of paying for other people free stuff. When you advocate free stuff you sound like Sanders.

True, not everyone can do military service so there are alternative things that still serve your country. I don't consider a program like the GI bill a freebie. The military pay is low, you give up essential freedoms, you may be killed in action, your health care benefits are not that great and you don't have the ability to quit and leave. For that low benefit ratio you could be earning "benefits" when you get out. Better to serve then live in the slums on food stamps and government assistance. Unfortunately, during the Viet Nam war they tried the 100,000 man experiment and those that would be your average gang banger on welfare couldn't make it in the service either. They still should be required to have some service for their country.

You and I are not disagreeing. Service does not mean you have to be paid. Volunteering and serving is what makes this country great. Why does everything have to be tied to a paycheck from the government?