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New Front in Civil Forfeiture - prepaid and credit card readers
Posted: Wed Jun 08, 2016 4:04 pm
by JALLEN
http://oklahomawatch.org/2016/06/07/new ... aid-cards/
The Oklahoma Department of Public Safety has purchased several devices capable of seizing funds loaded on to prepaid debit cards to aid troopers in roadside seizures of suspected drug-trafficking proceeds.
The portable card scanners are designed to be carried in law enforcement vehicles, allow troopers to freeze and seize money loaded onto a prepaid debit card, and to return money to an account whose funds were seized or frozen.
Those Okies sure are a weird bunch, alright.
Re: New Front in Civil Forfeiture - prepaid and credit card readers
Posted: Thu Jun 09, 2016 1:30 pm
by E.Marquez
" and to return money to an account whose funds were seized or frozen." Id love to see the stats on how often THAT happens
Re: New Front in Civil Forfeiture - prepaid and credit card readers
Posted: Thu Jun 09, 2016 1:45 pm
by ScottDLS
Wow, wait till they get the ability to max out your non-prepaid credit cards without a trial...arrgh how can this be Constitutional?
Re: New Front in Civil Forfeiture - prepaid and credit card readers
Posted: Thu Jun 09, 2016 2:13 pm
by TexasJohnBoy
Civil forfeiture is one of those topics that truly drives me up a wall.
Re: New Front in Civil Forfeiture - prepaid and credit card readers
Posted: Thu Jun 09, 2016 2:25 pm
by parabelum
No warrant or trial? Seems like a blatant 4th Amendment violation.
Re: New Front in Civil Forfeiture - prepaid and credit card readers
Posted: Thu Jun 09, 2016 3:01 pm
by cbunt1
parabelum wrote:No warrant or trial? Seems like a blatant 4th Amendment violation.
Not to be snarky, but what part of Civil Forfeiture ISN'T a blatant and direct violation of the 4th Amendment?
Everything about Civil Forfeiture is designed to be an end-run around constitutional protections of the accused.
This is a topic I really should stay away from. There aren't enough blood pressure pills to keep me safe, and it doesn't take long for me to start sounding like a raving looney when I get started.
Re: New Front in Civil Forfeiture - prepaid and credit card readers
Posted: Thu Jun 09, 2016 3:21 pm
by TexasJohnBoy
cbunt1 wrote:parabelum wrote:No warrant or trial? Seems like a blatant 4th Amendment violation.
Not to be snarky, but what part of Civil Forfeiture ISN'T a blatant and direct violation of the 4th Amendment?
Everything about Civil Forfeiture is designed to be an end-run around constitutional protections of the accused.
This is a topic I really should stay away from. There aren't enough blood pressure pills to keep me safe, and it doesn't take long for me to start sounding like a raving looney when I get started.
Yeah, read up on civil forfeiture. No warrant, maybe no probable cause at all, and they can take anything.
Because the war on drugs.
Because terrorists.
Think of the kids.
Re: New Front in Civil Forfeiture - prepaid and credit card readers
Posted: Thu Jun 09, 2016 4:03 pm
by Soccerdad1995
My wife and teenage daughter thought I was joking around when I told them that police might take her phone, I-pad, any cash we all had, and anything else they wanted during a traffic stop. Then they googled civil asset forfeiture. Now they are just scared. I tell them that this is why we need the second amendment.
Re: New Front in Civil Forfeiture - prepaid and credit card readers
Posted: Sat Jun 11, 2016 7:52 am
by threoh8
"The card readers will not be used to randomly swipe motorists’ gift or prepaid cards, Vincent said, but only in cases in which the trooper suspects criminal activity is taking place. "
Driving on the interstate has been used as a reason to suspect criminal activity.
Re: New Front in Civil Forfeiture - prepaid and credit card readers
Posted: Sat Jun 11, 2016 1:34 pm
by Jim Beaux
Policing for profit
Re: New Front in Civil Forfeiture - prepaid and credit card readers
Posted: Sat Jun 11, 2016 5:01 pm
by powerboatr
this is SCARY...but i never get pre-paid cards..except once in a great while and usually 100 dollars or less.
I would be pretty p.o if some policeman will nilly felt i was engaged in criminal acts...with no trial or ???
Re: New Front in Civil Forfeiture - prepaid and credit card readers
Posted: Sat Jun 11, 2016 5:21 pm
by psijac
threoh8 wrote:"The card readers will not be used to randomly swipe motorists’ gift or prepaid cards, Vincent said, but only in cases in which the trooper suspects criminal activity is taking place. "
Driving on the interstate has been used as a reason to suspect criminal activity.
I "smell weed" please step out of the car, sir.
Re: New Front in Civil Forfeiture - prepaid and credit card readers
Posted: Sun Jun 12, 2016 6:23 pm
by E.Marquez
For your reading pleasure (have blood pressure meds on hand, and a puke bucket ready... you may become sick to your stomach)
http://www.washingtonpost.com/sf/invest ... and-seize/
Re: New Front in Civil Forfeiture - prepaid and credit card readers
Posted: Wed Jun 22, 2016 10:32 am
by growlerVII
Yep, this is just the latest. It'll get worse. Bureaucracy at its finest. Just keep telling the populace that you're doing it for their own safety, and that police NEED to be able to violate your rights to make you safe, when time after time, headline after headline the truth is illustrated plainly. This makes me sick in my bones.
Re: New Front in Civil Forfeiture - prepaid and credit card readers
Posted: Wed Jun 22, 2016 11:03 am
by The Annoyed Man
From what I understand, thy get away with it on the principle that their complaint/accusation is against the property, not you, and therefore your rights are not being violated. Of course, for that fiction to stand, they have to disavow a right to property, and redefine your property as not yours.