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America to hand off Internet in under two months

Posted: Wed Aug 17, 2016 2:20 pm
by parabelum
This is obviously not good news for all freedom loving Americans.

Another gem this thing occupying WH can check off on his way out.

"The Department of Commerce is set to hand off the final vestiges of American control over the Internet to international authorities in less than two months, officials have confirmed."

Did anyone ask YOU what YOUR opinion is on this, as an American Citizen?
:banghead:

http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/ameri ... le/2599521

Re: America to hand off Internet in under two months

Posted: Wed Aug 17, 2016 2:51 pm
by chl-dawg
sheesh, we created the internet and we should control the darn thing !

Re: America to hand off Internet in under two months

Posted: Wed Aug 17, 2016 3:05 pm
by joe817
If this is a legitimate news story(that remains to be seen), I totally fear the relatively security we now have to internet purchases, online banking, and indeed, posting of forums such as this, will be free from intrusive eyes.

Once again, WHERE does this insane directive come from? I doubt it comes from the head of the Department of Commerce. His boss??

If so, it's another blatant example of the POTUS to DESTROY the American infrastructure, to the detriment of EVERY American citizen! :mad5

This insanity MUST be stopped at the polling place! :mad5 :mad5 :mad5 :mad5 :mad5 :mad5 :mad5

Re: America to hand off Internet in under two months

Posted: Wed Aug 17, 2016 3:13 pm
by parabelum
Here is an additional link, where you can see the face of traitor at DoC:

https://www.ntia.doc.gov/blog/2016/upda ... transition

"We appreciate the hard work and dedication of all the stakeholders involved in this effort and look forward to their continuing engagement."

Aren't We, the American Citizens, the darn "stakeholders"?

Goes to show how much blatant disregard and disdain they have for you.

Re: America to hand off Internet in under two months

Posted: Thu Aug 18, 2016 6:48 am
by C-dub
Is all this to control the internet or just the domain naming system?

Re: America to hand off Internet in under two months

Posted: Thu Aug 18, 2016 10:49 am
by parabelum
C-dub wrote:Is all this to control the internet or just the domain naming system?

I am really not sure. I am hoping someone who knows a thing or two about this will chime in.

It sure doesn't look good from my limited knowledge on this, and I hope it's not a big deal. However, my gut tells me that we will be in serious circumstances pretty soon.

Re: America to hand off Internet in under two months

Posted: Thu Aug 18, 2016 11:07 am
by WTR
The naming system....all you have to do is Google it and click on a reliable source.

Re: America to hand off Internet in under two months

Posted: Thu Aug 18, 2016 11:09 am
by Abraham
For those who don't what 'the naming system' is (me, for one) please someone in the know: Explain.

Thanks!!

Re: America to hand off Internet in under two months

Posted: Thu Aug 18, 2016 11:12 am
by philbo
Try here. This is not the end of the world as we know it.

https://readplaintext.com/heres-why-we- ... .lef97rtad

Re: America to hand off Internet in under two months

Posted: Thu Aug 18, 2016 12:32 pm
by parabelum
philbo wrote:Try here. This is not the end of the world as we know it.

https://readplaintext.com/heres-why-we- ... .lef97rtad
I appreciate you input and reference.

However, here is my understanding based on a brief crash course...

These numbers form internet addresses, and we have labels such as ".edu", ".gov", ".com" etc. which correspond to those numbers.
The mothership database sits in the middle, assuring that the Internet traffic goes where it is supposed to, and badda bing badda boom we have The Internet (grossly oversimplified of course).

Now, given the real cyber security threat from Countries like China, the Islamofascist Regime etc., the real threat of Internet Censorship and so on, why would any sane Nation cede this authority over?

Moreover, why now?

Re: America to hand off Internet in under two months

Posted: Thu Aug 18, 2016 1:30 pm
by Pawpaw
Anytime you enter "texaschlforum.com" (or click a link), your computer feeds that info to the Domain Name Server. That server sends back IP address 208.77.216.135. Now your computer knows how to access the site.

Without DNS, you would have to know the IP address of every site you wanted to visit.

Obviously there's more to it than that, but there is the meat and potatoes. :tiphat:

Re: America to hand off Internet in under two months

Posted: Thu Aug 18, 2016 1:39 pm
by parabelum
Pawpaw,

Thank you for the clarification.

Does anyone know what benefit the American Citizen is getting out of this?

Will we have more Internet freedom or less?

Will there be any financial ramifications against U.S. sites/owners?

Will our Nation be safer or more at risk?

Those questions, in addition to the ones posed earlier, is what troubles me right now.

Re: America to hand off Internet in under two months

Posted: Thu Aug 18, 2016 1:55 pm
by Jusme
Did Al Gore put this into play when he invented the internet? :biggrinjester:

Re: America to hand off Internet in under two months

Posted: Thu Aug 18, 2016 2:06 pm
by bblhd672
parabelum wrote:Pawpaw,

Thank you for the clarification.

Does anyone know what benefit the American Citizen is getting out of this?

Will we have more Internet freedom or less?

Will there be any financial ramifications against U.S. sites/owners?

Will our Nation be safer or more at risk?

Those questions, in addition to the ones posed earlier, is what troubles me right now.
A popular survival/prepper blog (https://survivalblog.com/) advocates bookmarking it's IP address:
We post our IPv4 address (also referred to as a “dotted quad” or IP address) as a sort of insurance policy. Recent events have proven that a government agency or a malicious hacker can fairly easily seize or hijack a domain name. This has already happened to at least 75 U.S. web sites without due process of law. Their DNS records were changed, essentially erasing them from the “phone books of the Internet.”

Re: America to hand off Internet in under two months

Posted: Thu Aug 18, 2016 2:58 pm
by treadlightly
First, I don't like easing American control over the Internet, and neither should any free citizen of any nationality.

However, there is nothing magic about DNS besides consensus, and there isn't much of a mothership database. DNS data is highly distributed across millions of individual DNS servers.

A dozen or so root name servers are all there is to the centralized part of DNS, and they are running software anyone can download for free. The root name servers don't really do anything different from the local name server in your office, or at your ISP.

Domain names are read right-to-left, and there is an invisible dot at the right hand side. So, you search for www.texaschlforum.com. (even if you don't put the dot in, it's hypothetically there). "Dot" is the root DNS zone.

Your machine asks one of the DNS servers it's been told about, probably at your ISP, for www.texaschlforum.com.

If the ISP's DNS server has just been booted up, it doesn't have a clue where that is, so it refers to a static list of name servers it knows about, likely listed in a file called named.cache, and asks where to find "com".

The root name servers (actually whichever one your ISP's DNS server decided to ask) gets referred to a list of name servers for .com sites.

Next it asks the .com DNS servers for texaschlforum, and follows a reference to the authoritative name servers for texaschlforum.com, which return the IP address for www.texaschlforum.com. Your ISP's DNS machine will also remember the result for a while. Each DNS entry (zone, actually) advertises how long addresses should be remembered. That's unenforceable, but it's a nice convention.

It is trivial to set up your own root name server. The trick to getting it to be of any good would be ISP's listing your new root name servers in their named.cache files. I've often thought we should have widely available shadow DNS systems.

It wouldn't be hard, other than getting everyone to agree on what to use.