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Got the bug to build another rifle.

I have a .308 upper and lower assembly laying on the bench now. I already have an AR in .308, so I was thinking about a 6.5 Creedmoor for this one.

I was looking for some pluses and minuses for this configuration and maybe any viable alternatives.

Lets have it folks, I'm all ears.

PBratton wrote:Got the bug to build another rifle.

I have a .308 upper and lower assembly laying on the bench now. I already have an AR in .308, so I was thinking about a 6.5 Creedmoor for this one.

I was looking for some pluses and minuses for this configuration and maybe any viable alternatives.

Lets have it folks, I'm all ears.

That is something I have been thinking about as well. I really prefer my gas guns over my bolt guns and I was wondering what it would take to build a 1000 yard plus AR...

I am in for this build. This is exactly what I want for my next AR build. 16" bbl, 15" ultra slim keymod handguard, 3lb Velocity trigger and Burris 4.5x14x42 scope on top. Mission First minimalist stock, Smith Enterprise or Vais Micro-Brake and Hogue grip. Sould make a heck of a truck gun and still be good out to 600 yds or so.

Please keep us up to date on your build and how it turns out.

Bitter Clinger wrote:

PBratton wrote:Got the bug to build another rifle.

I have a .308 upper and lower assembly laying on the bench now. I already have an AR in .308, so I was thinking about a 6.5 Creedmoor for this one.

I was looking for some pluses and minuses for this configuration and maybe any viable alternatives.

Lets have it folks, I'm all ears.

That is something I have been thinking about as well. I really prefer my gas guns over my bolt guns and I was wondering what it would take to build a 1000 yard plus AR...

There are videos on youtube that show AR15s hitting metal plates at 1000 yds ( they list components also ). However, if you want a consistent 10 ring 1000 yd rifle.....stick with a bolt gun.

WTR wrote:

Bitter Clinger wrote:

PBratton wrote:Got the bug to build another rifle.

I have a .308 upper and lower assembly laying on the bench now. I already have an AR in .308, so I was thinking about a 6.5 Creedmoor for this one.

I was looking for some pluses and minuses for this configuration and maybe any viable alternatives.

Lets have it folks, I'm all ears.

That is something I have been thinking about as well. I really prefer my gas guns over my bolt guns and I was wondering what it would take to build a 1000 yard plus AR...

There are videos on youtube that show AR15s hitting metal plates at 1000 yds ( they list components also ). However, if you want a consistent 10 ring 1000 yd rifle.....stick with a bolt gun.

Well, I have rung steel consistently at 600 yards with my Colt (20" bbl, 1/9 twist) using anywhere from 55 gr. to 68 gr. match grade JHP and I have rung steel at 800 yards consistently with my S&W AR-10 (18" bbl, 1/10 twist) using 168-175 gr. match grade JHP. YMMV but I really prefer the gas guns and the issue, as we have discussed in prior threads, is where does the round enter transonic and become unstable? The 6.5 Creedmoor has the better ballistic coefficient and will remain stable for a greater distance. I have a 24" Ruger Precision in 6.5, I would trade it in a NY minute for an AR. I have a Remington 700 SPS tactical in .308 with the 20" threaded bbl, make me an offer and I will throw in the Explore Optics 6-24X SFP scope - the Remington is a consistent 800 yard - and not more - shooter.

Bitter Clinger wrote:

WTR wrote:

Bitter Clinger wrote:

PBratton wrote:Got the bug to build another rifle.

I have a .308 upper and lower assembly laying on the bench now. I already have an AR in .308, so I was thinking about a 6.5 Creedmoor for this one.

I was looking for some pluses and minuses for this configuration and maybe any viable alternatives.

Lets have it folks, I'm all ears.

That is something I have been thinking about as well. I really prefer my gas guns over my bolt guns and I was wondering what it would take to build a 1000 yard plus AR...

There are videos on youtube that show AR15s hitting metal plates at 1000 yds ( they list components also ). However, if you want a consistent 10 ring 1000 yd rifle.....stick with a bolt gun.

Well, I have rung steel consistently at 600 yards with my Colt (20" bbl, 1/9 twist) using anywhere from 55 gr. to 68 gr. match grade JHP and I have rung steel at 800 yards consistently with my S&W AR-10 (18" bbl, 1/10 twist) using 168-175 gr. match grade JHP. YMMV but I really prefer the gas guns and the issue, as we have discussed in prior threads, is where does the round enter transonic and become unstable? The 6.5 Creedmoor has the better ballistic coefficient and will remain stable for a greater distance. I have a 24" Ruger Precision in 6.5, I would trade it in a NY minute for an AR. I have a Remington 700 SPS tactical in .308 with the 20" threaded bbl, make me an offer and I will throw in the Explore Optics 6-24X SFP scope - the Remington is a consistent 800 yard - and not more - shooter.

I guess it depends on whether you are looking for a battle rife or a quality long range rifle. Personally I don't need more than 2"-3" MOA at 100 meters for a battle rifle, my bolt gun better provide 1/4"-1/2" MOA at 100 meters.

So, I got stuff on order today for this build:

24" Shilen match barrel with a matching bolt in 6.5 Creedmoor, rifle length tube and adjustable gas block.

Also found a 17.5" JP Enterprises Signature Free Float Handguard.

This should get the upper almost finished.

Still looking for a good deal on a .308 bolt carrier.

I'll finish the lower whenever I find that money I hid from the wifey... Hope she didn't find it first.

I am starting to consider scopes for this build.

I know this will be one of those everyone has there own preference questions, but here goes:

Looking toward the Nikon Monarch 7 line scope line, thoughts? Alternatives?

I really like the Vortex Viper PST line.

PBratton wrote:I am starting to consider scopes not for this build.

I know this will be one of those everyone has there own preference questions, but here goes:

Looking toward the Nikon Monarch 7 line scope line, thoughts? Alternatives?

Beiruty turned me on to the Bushnell Elite Tactical XRS line:

http://bushnell.com/all-products/rifle- ... 5-30x-50mm

I'll add them both to the competition list. Thanks.

Speaking of Bushnell, I just bought the Elite Tactical 6-24x50 with the G2 reticle and first focal plane, and love it.

maverick2076 wrote:I really like the Vortex Viper PST line.

KC5AV wrote:Speaking of Bushnell, I just bought the Elite Tactical 6-24x50 with the G2 reticle and first focal plane, and love it.

Those are both good lines, and I have one example of the Bushnell Elite Tactical line, and two of the Viper PST line. Another line I would take a good hard look at is SWFA's "Super Sniper" house brand, this one in particular: SWFA SS HD 5-20x50 Tactical 30mm Riflescope. The price is $1,499.95, which makes it a comparative bargain in the class that it competes in.

• Patented First Focal Plane Illuminated Mil-Quad Reticle
• 30mm
• HD Model
• Locking Ocular Adjustment
• 0.1 Mrad Elevation & Windage
• 10 Mils Per Revolution
• 30 Mils Of Total Travel (100+ MOA)
• Eye Relief (in): 4
• Field of View @ 100yds (ft): 20.1 - 5.1
• Parallax Setting (yds): 35 - infinity
• Side Focus
• Weight (oz): 31.39
• Length (in): 14.65

New from Smith & Wesson Performance Center, the M&P10 chambered in 6.5 Creedmoor:

https://www.smith-wesson.com/firearms/m ... -creedmoor

WTR wrote:

Bitter Clinger wrote:

WTR wrote:

Bitter Clinger wrote:

PBratton wrote:Got the bug to build another rifle.

I have a .308 upper and lower assembly laying on the bench now. I already have an AR in .308, so I was thinking about a 6.5 Creedmoor for this one.

I was looking for some pluses and minuses for this configuration and maybe any viable alternatives.

Lets have it folks, I'm all ears.

That is something I have been thinking about as well. I really prefer my gas guns over my bolt guns and I was wondering what it would take to build a 1000 yard plus AR...

There are videos on youtube that show AR15s hitting metal plates at 1000 yds ( they list components also ). However, if you want a consistent 10 ring 1000 yd rifle.....stick with a bolt gun.

Well, I have rung steel consistently at 600 yards with my Colt (20" bbl, 1/9 twist) using anywhere from 55 gr. to 68 gr. match grade JHP and I have rung steel at 800 yards consistently with my S&W AR-10 (18" bbl, 1/10 twist) using 168-175 gr. match grade JHP. YMMV but I really prefer the gas guns and the issue, as we have discussed in prior threads, is where does the round enter transonic and become unstable? The 6.5 Creedmoor has the better ballistic coefficient and will remain stable for a greater distance. I have a 24" Ruger Precision in 6.5, I would trade it in a NY minute for an AR. I have a Remington 700 SPS tactical in .308 with the 20" threaded bbl, make me an offer and I will throw in the Explore Optics 6-24X SFP scope - the Remington is a consistent 800 yard - and not more - shooter.

I guess it depends on whether you are looking for a battle rife or a quality long range rifle. Personally I don't need more than 2"-3" MOA at 100 meters for a battle rifle, my bolt gun better provide 1/4"-1/2" MOA at 100 meters.

Actually, its also about the distance. 308 goes transonic at 800-900, 6.5CM pushes that distance out beyond 1200...and at those distances MOA accuracy does not have as much impact on hit percentage as ability to make good wind calls, accurate ranging, and the BC of the bullet. Today's AR's, for this application, would be almost indistinguishable in accuracy from a bolt gun but long distance shooters seem to prefer bolt guns because they are mechanically simpler (and therefore thought to be more reliable) and the recoil movement of the semi-auto bolt makes it more difficult to see your hit - which is important.
My personal preference is still for the gas gun over the bolt, but that may simply be my issue.