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School Grounds but Not School Sponsored

Posted: Tue Jun 20, 2017 4:10 pm
by locke_n_load
My 2 year old will be having soccer lessons at the outdoor soccer fields at an elementary school. The lessons are put on by a private company that I'm sure has permissions to use the fields.
I would think that these lessons would not qualify as a "school sponsored event" so carry would be legal outside, as long as the school is not having their own soccer practice... Unless the group putting on my kid's lessons would be considered an "educational institution"...

What say the legal scholars in here?

Relevant code (really wish it would have been better defined this year...):
Sec. 46.03. PLACES WEAPONS PROHIBITED. (a) A person commits an offense if the person intentionally, knowingly, or recklessly possesses or goes with a firearm, illegal knife, club, or prohibited weapon listed in Section 46.05(a):
(1) on the physical premises of a school or educational institution, any grounds or building on which an activity sponsored by a school or educational institution is being conducted, or a passenger transportation vehicle of a school or educational institution, whether the school or educational institution is public or private

Re: School Grounds but Not School Sponsored

Posted: Tue Jun 20, 2017 4:13 pm
by Flightmare
locke_n_load wrote:My 2 year old will be having soccer lessons at the outdoor soccer fields at an elementary school. The lessons are put on by a private company that I'm sure has permissions to use the fields.
I would think that these lessons would not qualify as a "school sponsored event" so carry would be legal outside, as long as the school is not having their own soccer practice.
What say the legal scholars in here?
That is my understanding as well, however IANAL.

Re: School Grounds but Not School Sponsored

Posted: Tue Jun 20, 2017 4:38 pm
by Keith B
Since it's not a school sponsored event, and it's not 'on the premises( building or portion of a building), it would not be illegal. Premises are defined in 46.035
(3) “Premises” means a building or a portion of a building.  The term does not include any public or private driveway, street, sidewalk or walkway, parking lot, parking garage, or other parking area. - See more at: http://codes.findlaw.com/tx/penal-code/ ... DPlir.dpuf

Re: School Grounds but Not School Sponsored

Posted: Wed Jun 21, 2017 9:35 am
by Bruin98
My kid played on a team that used a field behind the school. Practice started about 3 hours after school let out so I thought nothing of having it under my shirt. Nobody else seemed to either.

Re: School Grounds but Not School Sponsored

Posted: Wed Jun 21, 2017 9:48 am
by z_g_yang
This is also my understanding. However, tricky thing is, as soon as some school activity shows up, you need to leave.
Keith B wrote:Since it's not a school sponsored event, and it's not 'on the premises( building or portion of a building), it would not be illegal. Premises are defined in 46.035
(3) “Premises” means a building or a portion of a building.  The term does not include any public or private driveway, street, sidewalk or walkway, parking lot, parking garage, or other parking area. - See more at: http://codes.findlaw.com/tx/penal-code/ ... DPlir.dpuf

Re: School Grounds but Not School Sponsored

Posted: Wed Jun 21, 2017 1:27 pm
by RoyGBiv
Here's a wrinkle...

If the non-school soccer training/team was allowed to recruit by passing out flyers or other advertising at school, and maybe the school gets some sort of kick-back (sports equipment, cash, etc), then... would that make it a school-sponsored event?

Just splitting hairs...