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CHL holder attempts to stop fatal hit & run.

Posted: Sat May 19, 2018 4:50 pm
by Frankie
https://www.ksat.com/news/woman-run-ove ... arking-lot

80 yr old suspect still on the run. Ran over the victim “multiple”times!

Re: CHL holder attempts to stop fatal hit & run.

Posted: Sat May 19, 2018 5:20 pm
by johncanfield
Good grief.

Re: CHL holder attempts to stop fatal hit & run.

Posted: Sat May 19, 2018 5:26 pm
by Oldgringo
johncanfield wrote:Good grief.
To say the least. :eek6

What an anal vent that old billy goat must be! :mad5

Re: CHL holder attempts to stop fatal hit & run.

Posted: Sat May 19, 2018 7:32 pm
by Paladin
As the woman was leaving the property, the man got into his Ford Focus and ran her over several times.
Pretty clear cut case of murder.

To the LTC holder, Thank you Sir for defending the community!

Re: CHL holder attempts to stop fatal hit & run.

Posted: Sat May 19, 2018 8:16 pm
by OneGun
Suspect in custody now! Two people with CHLs opened fire and flattened one of the tires. They are being treated as witnesses.

Re: CHL holder attempts to stop fatal hit & run.

Posted: Sat May 19, 2018 9:46 pm
by Oldgringo
Granted, the situation was dire and rescue/support/justice was needed but, two CHL holders opening fire on the fleeing vehicle? :headscratch There must be more to this story, eh?

Re: CHL holder attempts to stop fatal hit & run.

Posted: Sat May 19, 2018 11:05 pm
by Steve W
"Sandoval said he saw the man calmly getting out of his vehicle to see the woman's body stuck under the car before the man drove off." So the car was being driven away as the two LTH holders started shooting at him ... Doesn't seem like a good choice on their part...

Re: CHL holder attempts to stop fatal hit & run.

Posted: Sat May 19, 2018 11:44 pm
by Killadocg23
Steve W wrote:"Sandoval said he saw the man calmly getting out of his vehicle to see the woman's body stuck under the car before the man drove off." So the car was being driven away as the two LTH holders started shooting at him ... Doesn't seem like a good choice on their part...
They better get ready for a big lawsuit coming their way

Re: CHL holder attempts to stop fatal hit & run.

Posted: Sun May 20, 2018 12:39 am
by Allons
Killadocg23 wrote:
Steve W wrote:"Sandoval said he saw the man calmly getting out of his vehicle to see the woman's body stuck under the car before the man drove off." So the car was being driven away as the two LTH holders started shooting at him ... Doesn't seem like a good choice on their part...
They better get ready for a big lawsuit coming their way
I don't think I would have fired at a car that was leaving the scene. Write down plate number, call the cops.

Re: CHL holder attempts to stop fatal hit & run.

Posted: Sun May 20, 2018 1:42 am
by Flightmare
And this will be reported by the MSM as a school shooting, since it happened in a school parking lot. Even though it happened on a saturday, when the school was closed.

Re: CHL holder attempts to stop fatal hit & run.

Posted: Sun May 20, 2018 6:59 am
by The Annoyed Man
Killadocg23 wrote:
Steve W wrote:"Sandoval said he saw the man calmly getting out of his vehicle to see the woman's body stuck under the car before the man drove off." So the car was being driven away as the two LTH holders started shooting at him ... Doesn't seem like a good choice on their part...
They better get ready for a big lawsuit coming their way
I grant that it was not a good choice, but who is going to sue them? The murder victim’s family? Not likely. The suspect? He wasn’t shot. What I can see happening is authorities deciding to charge the LTC with something like “reckless endangerment” or some such.......but I don’t think that’s likely either. What has happened here is that a LTC, acting in good faith, made a very boneheaded move; and he has likely ducked a bullet (so to speak) for his bad judgement.

Re: CHL holder attempts to stop fatal hit & run.

Posted: Sun May 20, 2018 8:27 am
by imkopaka
Allons wrote:
Killadocg23 wrote:
Steve W wrote:"Sandoval said he saw the man calmly getting out of his vehicle to see the woman's body stuck under the car before the man drove off." So the car was being driven away as the two LTH holders started shooting at him ... Doesn't seem like a good choice on their part...
They better get ready for a big lawsuit coming their way
I don't think I would have fired at a car that was leaving the scene. Write down plate number, call the cops.
Nope - I'd have shot at him, too! Deadly force is perfectly legal to prevent the fleeing of one who has just used unlawful deadly force, so if I had a clear line of fire, you'd better believe I would empty every round I had to get him to stop. I'm not going to wait for the cops to come collect him in minutes or hours, during which time he could murder again...

Re: CHL holder attempts to stop fatal hit & run.

Posted: Sun May 20, 2018 10:05 am
by apostate
imkopaka wrote:Nope - I'd have shot at him, too! Deadly force is perfectly legal to prevent the fleeing of one who has just used unlawful deadly force,
Please cite the relevant law that justifies this.

Re: CHL holder attempts to stop fatal hit & run.

Posted: Sun May 20, 2018 10:16 am
by Abraham
LTC's are not LEO's.

Highly dependent upon circumstances before we step in slinging bullets.

Shooting at a fleeing car?

Do you know for certain where your misses are going to end?

Bad idea.

Re: CHL holder attempts to stop fatal hit & run.

Posted: Sun May 20, 2018 10:21 am
by Paladin
apostate wrote:
imkopaka wrote:Nope - I'd have shot at him, too! Deadly force is perfectly legal to prevent the fleeing of one who has just used unlawful deadly force,
Please cite the relevant law that justifies this.
Sec. 9.22. NECESSITY. Conduct is justified if:

(1) the actor reasonably believes the conduct is immediately necessary to avoid imminent harm;

(2) the desirability and urgency of avoiding the harm clearly outweigh, according to ordinary standards of reasonableness, the harm sought to be prevented by the law proscribing the conduct; and

(3) a legislative purpose to exclude the justification claimed for the conduct does not otherwise plainly appear.

Acts 1973, 63rd Leg., p. 883, ch. 399, Sec. 1, eff. Jan. 1, 1974. Amended by Acts 1993, 73rd Leg., ch. 900, Sec. 1.01, eff. Sept. 1, 1994.
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Of course in places like Austin the local DA may interpret the law differently