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Lynyrd wrote: Sun Sep 16, 2018 9:17 am I don't get the grand jury part. BG is shooting up the place. Off duty security guard takes him down. What is there to decide? If it had been an off duty copy that shot the BG would they refer it to a grand jury? If the GGWAG had been an LTC holder, would they have arrested him?

Lynyrd wrote: Sun Sep 16, 2018 9:17 am I don't get the grand jury part. BG is shooting up the place. Off duty security guard takes him down. What is there to decide? If it had been an off duty copy that shot the BG would they refer it to a grand jury? If the GGWAG had been an LTC holder, would they have arrested him?

twomillenium wrote: Sun Sep 16, 2018 10:59 am

Lynyrd wrote: Sun Sep 16, 2018 9:17 am I don't get the grand jury part. BG is shooting up the place. Off duty security guard takes him down. What is there to decide? If it had been an off duty copy that shot the BG would they refer it to a grand jury? If the GGWAG had been an LTC holder, would they have arrested him?

You probably want it to go before a grand jury, especially if present to grand jury without charges. A no-bill from the grand jury is much more beneficial than not going before a grand jury. Many DA's present such actions before the grand jury without charges with the intent of securing a no-bill for the defendant.

Many incidents with low casualty numbers are not included in lists of active shooter incidents compiled by the FBI, journalists and other groups. The FBI definition requires four (4) people to be shot in an incident. Several of the incidents discussed in Ed’s presentation – incidents where active killers were stopped early – fall below the threshold. (Only studying incidents where responses failed, ignoring those where response was successful, appears to be a pattern with FBI analysis, since they also study incidents in which officers were killed with more emphasis than they place on studying incidents in which officers stopped lethal attacks.)

Omission of that data skews public perception of the issue, such as in this NBC report on the recent Maryland incident, which states that “incidents where school resource officers stop active shooters are rare”. They can only make that claim by limiting their counting to only incidents involving school resource officers, omitting actions taken by off-duty cops, armed citizens, or even on-duty officers that were not specifically school resource officers. While the statement is factually accurate, the word choices illustrate how hidden biases of journalists (or their editors) can shape public perception of an issue.

ELB wrote: Mon Sep 17, 2018 11:10 am Good job by the security guard!

Lynyrd wrote: Sun Sep 16, 2018 9:17 am I don't get the grand jury part. BG is shooting up the place. Off duty security guard takes him down. What is there to decide? If it had been an off duty copy that shot the BG would they refer it to a grand jury? If the GGWAG had been an LTC holder, would they have arrested him?