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HB 227 by @RepMattKrause says guns that are made in Texas and stay in Texas are "not subject to federal law or federal regulation." IfHB 227 by @RepMattKrause says guns that are made in Texas and stay in Texas are "not subject to federal law or federal regulation." If a Texan claims this exception, bill has Texas AG seek federal court ruling on the constitutionality of the law. #txlege a Texan claims this exception, bill has Texas AG seek federal court ruling on the constitutionality of the law. #txlege

Another gun bill by @RepMattKrause, HB 238, would bar state agencies, local governments from helping the feds enforce gun regulations in Texas. Exempted: border security operations. #txlege

sugar land dave. wrote: Mon Nov 12, 2018 12:45 pm Hi mojo84,

I'm not quite sure how I feel about this. What if someone in Texas uses the new plastic printers to make their own unregistered gun? Do we slide from sanctuary cities to sanctuary state? Government without interagency cooperation can range from difficult to downright hard to next to impossible.

Color me conflicted in Sugar Land on a brisk rainy day .

Be well

sugar land dave. wrote: Mon Nov 12, 2018 12:45 pm Hi mojo84,

I'm not quite sure how I feel about this. What if someone in Texas uses the new plastic printers to make their own unregistered gun? Do we slide from sanctuary cities to sanctuary state? Government without interagency cooperation can range from difficult to downright hard to next to impossible.

Color me conflicted in Sugar Land on a brisk rainy day .

Be well

sugar land dave. wrote: Mon Nov 12, 2018 12:45 pm
I'm not quite sure how I feel about this. What if someone in Texas uses the new plastic printers to make their own unregistered gun?

jb2012 wrote: Mon Nov 12, 2018 1:28 pm

sugar land dave. wrote: Mon Nov 12, 2018 12:45 pm
I'm not quite sure how I feel about this. What if someone in Texas uses the new plastic printers to make their own unregistered gun?

People are making “unregistered” guns in Texas every single day in the form of 80% lowers/frames. On top of that, there is no registry in Texas anyway. The only use for the serial number on your guns in this state, is to conduct federal bg checks.

All that being said I’m anxious to see if this makes any movement. Several states already have laws similar to these, and what do you know, no blood on the streets.

Sec. 411.225. MARKING REQUIREMENTS FOR MANUFACTURING OR
ASSEMBLING FIREARMS. A person who manufactures or assembles a
firearm to which this subchapter applies shall:
(1) before manufacturing or assembling the firearm,
apply to the department for a unique serial number or other mark of
identification;

guns that are made in Texas and stay in Texas are "not subject to federal law or federal regulation."

mojo84 wrote: Mon Nov 12, 2018 12:30 pm Another one.

http://twitter.com/chucklindell/status/ ... 2311977984

Another gun bill by @RepMattKrause, HB 238, would bar state agencies, local governments from helping the feds enforce gun regulations in Texas. Exempted: border security operations. #txlege

TexasJohnBoy wrote: Mon Nov 12, 2018 2:59 pm

jb2012 wrote: Mon Nov 12, 2018 1:28 pm

sugar land dave. wrote: Mon Nov 12, 2018 12:45 pm
I'm not quite sure how I feel about this. What if someone in Texas uses the new plastic printers to make their own unregistered gun?

People are making “unregistered” guns in Texas every single day in the form of 80% lowers/frames. On top of that, there is no registry in Texas anyway. The only use for the serial number on your guns in this state, is to conduct federal bg checks.

All that being said I’m anxious to see if this makes any movement. Several states already have laws similar to these, and what do you know, no blood on the streets.

Please see https://capitol.texas.gov/BillLookup/Hi ... &Bill=HB38

Mr. Canales would like to make a registry of firearms in TX which are built from 80% lowers.

Sec. 411.225. MARKING REQUIREMENTS FOR MANUFACTURING OR
ASSEMBLING FIREARMS. A person who manufactures or assembles a
firearm to which this subchapter applies shall:
(1) before manufacturing or assembling the firearm,
apply to the department for a unique serial number or other mark of
identification;

RSX11 wrote: Mon Nov 12, 2018 4:13 pm

guns that are made in Texas and stay in Texas are "not subject to federal law or federal regulation."

Montana and Kansas have tried this, and it hasn't worked out so hot. Assorted shooting organizations in Montana lost a bunch of (well, all) cases about this. A couple of guys in Kansas just got convicted of making suppressors, depending on the Kansas law to protect them. They haven't been sentenced yet.

A law like this does have some value as a symbolic statement to the Federales, but wouldn't be of much value to people wanting to make weapons and accessories that are covered by federal law.

jb2012 wrote: Mon Nov 12, 2018 5:03 pm

TexasJohnBoy wrote: Mon Nov 12, 2018 2:59 pm

jb2012 wrote: Mon Nov 12, 2018 1:28 pm

sugar land dave. wrote: Mon Nov 12, 2018 12:45 pm
I'm not quite sure how I feel about this. What if someone in Texas uses the new plastic printers to make their own unregistered gun?

People are making “unregistered” guns in Texas every single day in the form of 80% lowers/frames. On top of that, there is no registry in Texas anyway. The only use for the serial number on your guns in this state, is to conduct federal bg checks.

All that being said I’m anxious to see if this makes any movement. Several states already have laws similar to these, and what do you know, no blood on the streets.

Please see https://capitol.texas.gov/BillLookup/Hi ... &Bill=HB38

Mr. Canales would like to make a registry of firearms in TX which are built from 80% lowers.

Sec. 411.225. MARKING REQUIREMENTS FOR MANUFACTURING OR
ASSEMBLING FIREARMS. A person who manufactures or assembles a
firearm to which this subchapter applies shall:
(1) before manufacturing or assembling the firearm,
apply to the department for a unique serial number or other mark of
identification;

Correct. I’m stating that we already do have potentially millions and millions of “unserialized” guns in Texas, not to mention the U.S. Using a 3d printer would be none different policy wise than an 80% lower.

RSX11 wrote: Mon Nov 12, 2018 4:13 pm

guns that are made in Texas and stay in Texas are "not subject to federal law or federal regulation."

Montana and Kansas have tried this, and it hasn't worked out so hot. Assorted shooting organizations in Montana lost a bunch of (well, all) cases about this. A couple of guys in Kansas just got convicted of making suppressors, depending on the Kansas law to protect them. They haven't been sentenced yet.

A law like this does have some value as a symbolic statement to the Federales, but wouldn't be of much value to people wanting to make weapons and accessories that are covered by federal law.

The guys in trouble for manufacturing suppressors were doing so as part of a business. Manufacturing for commerce and manufacturing for personal use (although it shouldn’t be, and the government should keep their filthy hands out of it) is very different.

The Annoyed Man wrote: Mon Nov 12, 2018 4:47 pm
I have mixed feelings on this one. On one hand, I’ll take anything that protects gun rights in Texas. But on the other hand, there is little difference between this tactic, and states that declare themselves “sanctuary states” for the purposes of protecting illegal immigrants from ICE. Both are examples of a state defying federal law by passing a state law that forbids state lawn enforcement from cooperating with federal law enforcement in that specific area of the law. It seems to me that gun rights activists make themselves vulnerable to the exact same arguments that conservatives would use to invalidate immigration sanctuary, used against a pro-gun law like that.

Thoughts?