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mayor wrote: Wed Jul 03, 2019 4:05 pm I think liberal talking points are too easy to shoot holes in and conservatives would call in eventually shutting down their arguments. I only occasionally hear liberals call conservative radio and their arguments usually (since Trump's presidency) consist of "Orange man bad..."; a generalization.

The Annoyed Man wrote: Thu Jul 04, 2019 9:34 am I think it is important to distinguish between "liberal" and "leftist". The left is totalitarian, but many of them don't know it yet because they’ve felt their way through issues instead of thinking their way through them. Although the left can be infuriating, they are also to be pitied in some ways. How debased does a male have to be to become a soy boy instead of a man? They are SO debased that they feel (there’s that word again) the need for the state to "be a man" for them.

The danger of conflating the two terms is that it confuses people about the meaning of Classical Liberalism, which is in fact the principles upon which our nation is founded. Classical Liberalism contains all the best parts of both Conservatism and Libertarianism, and none of the flaws of either. It is the ideal we should all be striving for.

Conversely, Leftism (what we mistakenly call liberalism) is completely illiberal. It not only makes no room for dissent, it seeks to punish it. Leftism cannot allow dissent because it’s precepts do not stand up to critical examination. It must therefore stamp out any dissent. Classical liberalism tolerates dissent because its precepts stand up just fine to critical examination. The only caveat is that this examination must be thought through with the mind, not reacted to with feelings. "Go with your heart" is singularly bad advice.

Feelings tend to confuse and muddle issues, while thinking brings enlightenment. And THAT is why the advent of Classical Liberalism in political thought is often referred to as the enlightenment. To enlighten, is to cast light upon the darkness, to bring understanding. Leftism rejects the light.

We have emotions. It’s part of the human condition, and there is nothing morally wrong with having them.....as long as any decisions we make based on our emotions will affect ONLY us, and not anyone else. That is why it is that, when we are most angry, or most sad, or most euphoric, we have the greatest obligation to pause and consider if what we do next will harm others, either in their persons, their material wealth or property, or their rights as individuals.

Leftism does not withstand critical examination because it is motivated primarily by anger, envy, and fear—all emotions that cloud judgement, produce unreason, and cloak the light in darkness. That is why there is precious little leftist talk radio.

mayor wrote: Thu Jul 04, 2019 12:25 pm

The Annoyed Man wrote: Thu Jul 04, 2019 9:34 am I think it is important to distinguish between "liberal" and "leftist". The left is totalitarian, but many of them don't know it yet because they’ve felt their way through issues instead of thinking their way through them. Although the left can be infuriating, they are also to be pitied in some ways. How debased does a male have to be to become a soy boy instead of a man? They are SO debased that they feel (there’s that word again) the need for the state to "be a man" for them.

The danger of conflating the two terms is that it confuses people about the meaning of Classical Liberalism, which is in fact the principles upon which our nation is founded. Classical Liberalism contains all the best parts of both Conservatism and Libertarianism, and none of the flaws of either. It is the ideal we should all be striving for.

Conversely, Leftism (what we mistakenly call liberalism) is completely illiberal. It not only makes no room for dissent, it seeks to punish it. Leftism cannot allow dissent because it’s precepts do not stand up to critical examination. It must therefore stamp out any dissent. Classical liberalism tolerates dissent because its precepts stand up just fine to critical examination. The only caveat is that this examination must be thought through with the mind, not reacted to with feelings. "Go with your heart" is singularly bad advice.

Feelings tend to confuse and muddle issues, while thinking brings enlightenment. And THAT is why the advent of Classical Liberalism in political thought is often referred to as the enlightenment. To enlighten, is to cast light upon the darkness, to bring understanding. Leftism rejects the light.

We have emotions. It’s part of the human condition, and there is nothing morally wrong with having them.....as long as any decisions we make based on our emotions will affect ONLY us, and not anyone else. That is why it is that, when we are most angry, or most sad, or most euphoric, we have the greatest obligation to pause and consider if what we do next will harm others, either in their persons, their material wealth or property, or their rights as individuals.

Leftism does not withstand critical examination because it is motivated primarily by anger, envy, and fear—all emotions that cloud judgement, produce unreason, and cloak the light in darkness. That is why there is precious little leftist talk radio.

Your post makes leftists sound a lot like manic depressives. I've seen it up close and personal. You might say I had a stalker.