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Keith B wrote:

mojo84 wrote:
Keith, nothing says it has to be a "management" employee. Charles has also opined elsewhere that it only takes someone with apparent authority and that includes people that obviously work there.

With the rest of your comment I agree.

I agree. Should have just said 'someone with the authority, as I stated for reinstating authorization to carry.

Keith B wrote:

AJSully421 wrote:

WildBill wrote:

AJSully421 wrote:Here is the bigger question... Has everyone who has read this thread been given eternal written notice simply by reading the posts?

Something to think about...

What are you talking about?

I am making fun of anyone saying this guy has received eternal verbal notice and that he is the only person in all of the universe who cannot OC or CC in that store, ever... even if the store changes owners, is bulldozed and made into something else... Perma ban on the OP!!!

In the case of verbal notice, as long as it is done by a management employee, then the notice IS permanent until such time as it is reascended by someone with authority for the business. Notice would also go away should the business change to something else, but would NOT go away if it just changed management unless you were given permission by the new management.

AJSully421 wrote:Here is the bigger question... Has everyone who has read this thread been given eternal written notice simply by reading the posts?

Something to think about... And also makes about as much sense as what some of you are saying.

howdy wrote:So it is the contention of some here that if I OC in a Wal Mart for X number of days and one day a unknown store employee says "guns are not allowed here", that I have received notice and forever banned from carrying there? What if I later see multiple people OCing there without being hassled? Am I still banned for life? Oh, as far as the them "expert", I doubt anyone on this forum would call themselves an expert in CHL law. We are all experts in our own opinion, but there is very little case law to back up those opinions.

Excaliber wrote:

mgood wrote:

mojo84 wrote:You said she said " no guns allowed here". That's all she needs to say to give you notice.

The rest of the conversation is irrelevant. IMO, you have received verbal notice.

If you're ever caught carrying there and for whatever reason the cops are called, and it goes to court, that woman gets on the stand and says "I told him we don't allow guns here." The other clerk is a witness to that and agrees. You're toast.

That sure sounds like clear verbal notice to me.

Unfortunately, it appears that the OP has put himself in the position of being the only LTC holder who is now specifically and individually prohibited from carrying in that store.

Embalmo wrote:

mojo84 wrote:All the more reason I recommend you get a second opinion from one of the experts I mentioned previously. The law is not what we think it is or want it to be. It will only cost you if you are wrong.

I'm very confident about my knowledge of blue versus red TABC signs. And I'm very confident of this forum's members' knowledge of blue versus red TABC signs. I'm growing less and less confident of the community's knowledge of blue versus red TABC signage.

C-dub wrote:Re: Embamlo's encounter

It sounded like she said that no guns were allowed because of the sign, not because of the store's policy. Since she's wrong about the sign I'm not sure that is actual notice.

Embalmo wrote:

TVGuy wrote:

Embalmo wrote:

mojo84 wrote:Tvguy, it's my understanding verbal notice is valid until otherwise notified.

So many customers and employees come an go in these chain stores that it would be next to impossible to prove that some employee gave notice. Especially when the notice was given vaguely in the course of a conversation.

This.

This is proof of the companies lack of knowledge of both alcohol and gun laws; and the invalidity of the clerks statement. No one is ever going to likely notice a concealed carry unless it's drawn. At that point, verbal notification is the least of my worries.

What concerns me most is the ignorance of the laws from shopkeepers, LE, and the public at large that can erode our rights.

Embalmo wrote:

mojo84 wrote:

Embalmo wrote:

TVGuy wrote:

Embalmo wrote:I just asked a convenience store clerk while checking out with a Snickers Bar on my lunch break if she'd seen any open carryers yet. I'm at work and concealing. Anyway, a burly woman came out of the back telling us that no guns were allowed here and there was a big sign outside. I insisted she show me the sign and she proudly pointed my nose and o their blue TABC sign.

Embalmo

Where?

183 close to Cameron in the Wendy's parking lot.

Hope you don't plan to carry there in the future. Even if her reasoning is fallacious, you've been provided notice. Sad part is, you prompted it.

Sometimes it's better to just go about one's business without bringing things like guns up. There are plenty of other things to smalltalk about.

I don't consider an ignorant misquote of a law verbal notice. She based her general verbal notice on the condition of the sign, not her own authority. She never told me I couldn't carry, nor did she say that she didn't allow it.