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frazzled wrote:Its a simple statement. If he's within a pistol shot of the President they are going to remove the gun or him.

By what authority?

frazzled wrote:We've had multiple Presidents assassinated.

All four of them, in 100 years?

frazzled wrote:Presidents get death threats daily.

Which has no bearing on a law abiding citizen exercising his constitutional rights.

frazzled wrote:This is not your normal situation. USSS routinely perform security requests of people nearby to protect the President.

And again, we are talking about a law abiding citizen exercising a constitutional right - is there something in there that says that the secret police can suspend the constitution just because the President is around?

frazzled wrote:There was an instance at a golf course where the USSS asked those with houses on the course to pull down their blinds for a period of time.

And compliance was entirely voluntary, and some did not.

frazzled wrote:For every right there is a responsibility, and in this instance its the responsibility of the carrier to not to act like an idiot.

And I did not see him acting like an idiot, did you?

frazzled wrote:Clearly the USSS did not believe he was within threat distance, and clearly he was not acting like such, so this is an argument about nothing.

I refer you to your statement above.

jimlongley wrote:I disagree well beyond respectfully.

frazzled wrote:**** Go off the deep end much? Looking to start a fight for no reason with someone who agrees with the rights of the carrier?

If you agree with the rights of the carrier, why are you argiuing that he's an idiot?

jimlongley wrote:The SS has no right to ask him to put it away and he shouldn't have to obey them just because they feel like it, he was breaking no laws.

frazzled wrote:See above. He has the duty not to be less than intelligent and flash a gun within effective range of the President. As stated above, the USSS routinely ask people to take certain measures to protect the immediate safety of the President. These abridgements are temporary and reasonable, just as when police stop traffic for a motorcade. Clearly in this instance he was using both his First and Second Amendment rights in an appropriate responsible manner and again, there's no issue.

I didn't see him flash anything, and I do not see the motorcade comparison as valid. You have no right to be on the highway, that is a public thorofare that you have the privilege of using at the whim of the authorities. Carrying a gun is a right and is not to be suspended at anyone's whim.

Once again, he was not violating a law, he was acting peacefully and well within his rights. If the President is scared of law abiding citizens, then he may want to find a new career, he is not suited to our society, which may explain a few other things.

I have carried arms length from Rick Perry and in as close proximity to several presidential candidates, including bam-bam, as the person in question.

frazzled wrote:-Legal? sounds like it.

No sound needed. It's legal, the Chief of Police stated as much.

frazzled wrote:-Dangerous? only if within range of el Presidente

How, and to whom, is it dangerous? Maybe it's dangerous to the law abiding citizen whose rights are in jeopardy because the media and secret police, oops, Secret Service, want to take his gun away, but he's no danger to bam-bam just because he's wearing a gun.

frazzled wrote:-I agree if the SS asked him then he should have immediately put it away or gone into the church (church right? ). I imagine they would have been all over him if they thought he was a threat. As I don't think they did then there's no issue. Whats the issue again?

I disagree well beyond respectfully. The SS has no right to ask him to put it away and he shouldn't have to obey them just because they feel like it, he was breaking no laws.

frost wrote:The gun registration comment is erroneous i believe.

All the media see to believe that gun registration exists throughout the country, and when told otherwise they get all whiney and want to know why, just as those idiots did about why he was allowed to be carrying in close proximity to where the president might be arriving in an hour and a half. It's incomprehensible to me that these people do not recognize their own stupidity and hypocrisy.