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by rwg3
Mon Feb 11, 2013 3:31 pm
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Topic: The Pope has resigned!!
Replies: 47
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Re: The Pople has resigned!!

anygunanywhere wrote:
rwg3 wrote:
Texas Dan Mosby wrote:That particular organization has protected and facilitated countless individuals, over the years, who have been responsible for conducting one of THE most heinous crimes imaginable against CHILDREN.

Using a position of trust to exploit children is straight up EVIL IMHO. However, knowing about it as a leader, and not prosecuting the offender, is even worse in my eyes.

I have NO patience with individuals that harm children, and fully believe those that abuse kids in a sexual nature should be hung by the neck until dead, be they priest, doctor, bricklayer alike.
+1

IMO It appears to be a smart political move with in the church political system. The cardinals all swear an oath of loyalty to the Pope when he is elected . When there is no Pope they are free to act and vote as their conscience dictates. By resigning before dying the current Pope can exert a fair amount of influence on the selection of his successor. The church has faced unprecedented criticism on a variety of issues and there is a political battle over maintaining a conservative bent or allowing a more liberal movement to occur. This Pope is of the conservative school and this helps insure the continuation of the conservative tradition.
I am not sure where you received your education on all matters Catholic and Vatican but you are way off.

It is not a political move. The Catholic Church is not a political organization run in a democratic manner. The only voting going on indeed will be the Cardinals selecting a new Pope. Their task is to select a successor to Pope Benedict.

The Cardinals swear no oath to obey the new Pope. Obedience to authority is a mark of a true Catholic and ordained clergy.

When there is no Pope the Cardinals are not free to act as their conscience dicateatres. Yes they can vote for whom they want, but there are actually very few Cardinals who would be voted on for Pope. The list is quite narrow.

The current Pope has a limited amount of influence. The Person with the most influence is the Holy Spirit.

The Church is not undergoing a political battle to maintain a conservative bent and avoid a liberal movement. The Church is both conservative and liberal if you use secular society's definitions. If you say that the Cardinals are going to try and prevent a "liberal" track that includes accepting abortion, contraception, and socalled same sex marriage then you are way off.

Your last sentence is nearly correct but remove the word conservative. The Magisterium of the Catholic Church is tasked with preserving Sacred Tradition and Church Dogma which cannoty change.

Anygunanywhere
Suffice it to say we have different views on how the Catholic Church operates as an organized body. I believe your devotion is admirable and I would not want to offend inadvertently, so I will simply say I disagree with some of your views. The oath can be found in the OSV section on Cardinals. Like anything else done by humans the implementation of it may vary.
by rwg3
Mon Feb 11, 2013 1:57 pm
Forum: Off-Topic
Topic: The Pope has resigned!!
Replies: 47
Views: 7407

Re: The Pople has resigned!!

Texas Dan Mosby wrote:That particular organization has protected and facilitated countless individuals, over the years, who have been responsible for conducting one of THE most heinous crimes imaginable against CHILDREN.

Using a position of trust to exploit children is straight up EVIL IMHO. However, knowing about it as a leader, and not prosecuting the offender, is even worse in my eyes.

I have NO patience with individuals that harm children, and fully believe those that abuse kids in a sexual nature should be hung by the neck until dead, be they priest, doctor, bricklayer alike.
+1

IMO It appears to be a smart political move with in the church political system. The cardinals all swear an oath of loyalty to the Pope when he is elected . When there is no Pope they are free to act and vote as their conscience dictates. By resigning before dying the current Pope can exert a fair amount of influence on the selection of his successor. The church has faced unprecedented criticism on a variety of issues and there is a political battle over maintaining a conservative bent or allowing a more liberal movement to occur. This Pope is of the conservative school and this helps insure the continuation of the conservative tradition.

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