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by TX Rancher
Sat Jan 27, 2007 3:33 pm
Forum: General Gun, Shooting & Equipment Discussion
Topic: cocked and locked?
Replies: 76
Views: 13167

Liberty wrote: Seriously though, why would anyone care about a what something looks like when its going to spend its life pretty much concealed? It seems a lot of gun owners like their guns pretty. Nothing wrong with that, I just could never understand the idea of form over function.
In general, I agree with you…but that’s just me. The idea of form over function is probably not a good idea in a carry pistol. But there’s nothing wrong with form and function. My wife likes the look of her Kimber CDP, but she likes its reliability even more. So for her function takes priority, but form also maters. She likes leather holsters since they scratch the Kimber’s finish less then Kydex, so she’s willing to pay more for a good quality leather holster. I think Kydex is fine, and so what if it scratches the pistol. To each their own…

For me ugly is fine. I want sights that are not “melted�. That way I can use them to help rack the slide one handed. My ops weapons had sandpaper tape on them at strategic spots to facilitate clearance operations with slippery, cold, and not functioning properly fingers, cheaper then checkering, but the same principle. If someone wants to put the bucks down to have their weapon nicely checkered, more power to them. It’s not for me, but I see nothing wrong with it for them since it’s still intended to increase the survivability of the user.

Liberty wrote: On 1911's I only know what I've learned on this site, but it seems as though they are a expencive finicky design. The 1911 fans themselves have convinced me that they aren't for me. I'll take cheap and reliable any day... Pretty doesn't even factor in.
I carried 1911’s for many years, and they were not expensive ones. Modifications were done to increase reliability, but they didn’t add much cost to the weapon. When I shot competition in the 80’s, I went through a time when I had a 1911 that was decked out for IPSC. It could be finicky, and only liked certain ammo, and sometimes just didn’t work right. But it was a competition gun, not my carry gun. I don’t agree that an effective, reliable 1911 has to be expensive.

Do I like Glocks, absolutely! I have three (19, 23, 26) and like all of them. Recently I’ve become comfortable enough with the 26 I carry it often. The 19 is my “Ranch� gun and sits by my bed on the night stand and stays on my hip whether I’m horseback, on foot, or sitting the tractor.

But, thank the lord, I have never used them in combat, but I have the 1911. To me, old “Iron Slabs� has proven itself to be a reliable, effective platform when it really maters… when the metal hits the meat. For that reason it will always have a special place in my mind, and in my gun safe. And trust me, they were not expensive ones :grin:
by TX Rancher
Sat Jan 27, 2007 8:57 am
Forum: General Gun, Shooting & Equipment Discussion
Topic: cocked and locked?
Replies: 76
Views: 13167

RPBrown wrote:
I dont have a problem with anything I carry. Just have to have different precautions.
Very true statement :grin:
by TX Rancher
Sat Jan 27, 2007 6:39 am
Forum: General Gun, Shooting & Equipment Discussion
Topic: cocked and locked?
Replies: 76
Views: 13167

dihappy wrote:Excellent thread! Im new and considering a Kimber Ultra, love that gun.

I have a question. Am i correct in saying that the 1911's pose a greater risk of AD/ND when unloading?

What is the proper method of lowering the hammer/unloading a 1911 after being at C&L?

Thanks :)
Many have already answered on how to unload a 1911, and personally I agree with all the directions given.

But in respect to the 1911 being more “unsafe� during unloading, I think the answer is both yes and no depending on what weapon you are comparing against.

If you take for instance a Glock, I feel there’s not much difference, both drop the hammer against the firing pin. But the 1911 at least allows me to control the fall of the hammer since I can get to it.

If you compare against a weapon with a decocker such as the 92F’s or the Walther P99 QA, the 1911 is probably in second place.

But I think the thing to remember is the best safety is your brain, not some piece of hardware on your pistol/rifle. I suspect most AD’s are the result of someone pulling the trigger on an “empty� chamber that isn’t really empty. If your mindset is “I don’t pull the trigger until I know the chamber is empty, and then checked again.� you’re good to go. Of course always act as if it’s loaded, and point it in a safe direction…

If your brain “safety� is engaged, you won’t have any problems. If it’s not engaged, all the mechanical safeties on your weapon could prove useless…

As for the Ultra, go for it. I have one and so does my wife…it’s the only thing she will carry.
by TX Rancher
Fri Jan 26, 2007 7:18 pm
Forum: General Gun, Shooting & Equipment Discussion
Topic: cocked and locked?
Replies: 76
Views: 13167

[quote="txinvestigator"][/quote]

Lots of dead people thought that. ;-) Seriously, I don't care who you are or how "tough" you think you are, you go one-on-one with a knife armed dude and your gonna get cut, badly. I have training in 3 martial arts, and hold a blackbelt in TKD and I won't go hand to knife unless I am otherwise unarmed and cannot run away.
:iagree:
Sounds like an intelligent attitude to me. After all, how do you know the guy with the knife isn’t well trained!
by TX Rancher
Fri Jan 26, 2007 7:14 pm
Forum: General Gun, Shooting & Equipment Discussion
Topic: cocked and locked?
Replies: 76
Views: 13167

Venus Pax wrote:I've got a question for the 1911 gurus:

If a 1911 is dropped, is there an internal device to keep the hammer from hitting the slide's end (I forgot the proper term for that part)?
Venus:

I believe it depends on the manufacturer and when it was manufactured. Some have drop safeties that stop the firing pin from moving forward unless the trigger is pulled. So dropping the weapon won’t accidentally discharge the gun, whether the hammer hit it or not. Some don’t, and the sudden stop when the weapon hits the ground can carry the firing pin forward, impact the primer, and fire the round.

RPBrown:

I think I respectfully disagree with you :grin: . I believe a 1911 cocked & locked is actually safer then systems like the Glock :shock: . Now before anyone grabs the rope and starts looking for a good hanging tree, I like Glocks and XD’s, and carry both.

But while holstering, if something (jacket zipper, shirt tail, etc.) gets inside the trigger guard of a Glock style pistol, it could go boom when you press it into the holster. This has happened several times. The 1911 won’t care and won’t go boom.

I don’t worry excessively about this, but I am very careful when I re-holster my Glocks/XD not to get hung up in my cover garment.

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