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by ScooterSissy
Sun Apr 19, 2015 9:27 pm
Forum: General Texas CHL Discussion
Topic: CC at private residence
Replies: 51
Views: 8590

Re: CC at private residence

BlueMerle wrote:
ScooterSissy wrote:
BlueMerle wrote:...
You clearly haven't read all of my posts or don't understand that there are circumstances where someone you've never met is going to come over to your house. So please, take the time to read and then get back with me because the bolded above is not a reasonable argument.
I have read all of your posts in this thread, and still don't understand how you think a person who doesn't know you well would 1) Know that you expect a person to have permission and 2) get permission without informing you they're armed.

Ok, I'm about done with this.

I don't expect anyone to read my mind, as the somewhat snarky post above suggests. I expect a level of civility that understands that it's rude to bring a weapon into anyone's HOME without prior permission. The law is not the be all and end all when it comes to a private residence.

It's really that simple.
Then I'm back to where I was before. If you expect that it's rude to bring a weapon to ANYONE's home, then it follows that you expect an armed person to tell homeowners they're armed (so they can get permission), or simply to disarm.

I disagree with your premise. I no more think it's rude to carry armed (and concealed) than I consider it rude to wear briefs instead of boxers. Concealed means concealed, and that means I don't tell people about it, unless there's a very good reason. Coming into their home, or their business, is not a "good reason" to inform them, unless they've indicated they don't want weapons.

Then, I have a decision to make.
by ScooterSissy
Sun Apr 19, 2015 8:19 pm
Forum: General Texas CHL Discussion
Topic: CC at private residence
Replies: 51
Views: 8590

Re: CC at private residence

BlueMerle wrote:...
You clearly haven't read all of my posts or don't understand that there are circumstances where someone you've never met is going to come over to your house. So please, take the time to read and then get back with me because the bolded above is not a reasonable argument.
I have read all of your posts in this thread, and still don't understand how you think a person who doesn't know you well would 1) Know that you expect a person to have permission and 2) get permission without informing you they're armed.
by ScooterSissy
Sun Apr 19, 2015 8:16 pm
Forum: General Texas CHL Discussion
Topic: CC at private residence
Replies: 51
Views: 8590

Re: CC at private residence

BlueMerle wrote:...
I understand your point regarding the bolded. Perhaps it's just that we run in different circles. Not that that makes either one right or wrong.

I'm simply saying that it's rude, imo, to enter someone's home while carrying, without their permission. Would you openly pass gas at a friends house during a social or business gathering? Not the best analogy, I admit. But hopefully it gets the point across. There are some things, that while perfectly legal, are just plain rude.

As for open carry, I can assure you that none of the CHL friends I have would consider OC in someone's house during a business or social event unless the invitation specifically said "Got Guns?.. Show Em!" And they apply the same towards CC.

I'm strongly supportive of 2A and individual rights to both own and carry a gun. I just place the sanctity of the home above that.

Some may, and clearly do, disagree. That's you're right. You're not breaking any laws. Just don't forget that I'm the King of my Castle, and I'll make the final decision, regardless of the law. Show me the courtesy of not carrying in my home without my permission, just as you would not openly pass gas in my crowded living room.
Passing gas has other side effects, that's what makes it rude. Concealed carry has not effects, unless it becomes unconcealed. If the person did so without cause, that would be rude. If they did it for good cause, they may have been doing you and your other guests a service.

Is it your position that anyone entering another person's home should tell that person they're armed (you seemed to take umbrage when I suggested that). If not, how is the carrier expected to know your views?

Do you similarly believe that one should get permission from a business owner before carrying on to their property? If not, why do you think a business owner should have fewer property rights than a homeowner?

Please don't get me wrong, I agree that home ownership (actually property ownership in general) should be avove 2A rights. Businesses, and individuals, should be free to tell someone to leave if they're armed. I guess where we part ways is the presumption that it's "rude" to carry onto another's property without their permission.
by ScooterSissy
Sun Apr 19, 2015 8:05 pm
Forum: General Texas CHL Discussion
Topic: CC at private residence
Replies: 51
Views: 8590

Re: CC at private residence

BlueMerle wrote:
ScooterSissy wrote:I guess I'm a little surprised at some of the responses here. Some feel no one should come in their homes without first telling whether or not they're armed; do those folks also feel that permission should be granted by a business owner before someone carries? Why should a business have to post, but not a homeowner? To me, it's the same concept, if you don't want someone to carry in your home, post it.

As far as carrying in other folks homes, I carry just about anytime I leave the house. I'm not going to disarm just because I"m going to someone's home that i know (unless I see a sign on the door). I'm typically not going to leave it at home (unless they tell me to ahead of time). I've never had either happen.

Most of those that know me well know that if I come over, there's a good chance I'm armed. Those that don't know, I'm not likely to tell them one way or another.

I never said that in any way shape or form. You don't need to tell me anything, but you'd better not carry in my home without my permission.
I didn't point to any particular person, and summarized what I read.

But, how is one to know they need your permission, unless you either tell them personally ahead of time, or post it? BTW, were it me entering your home, just as I would probably not know your feelings, you would probably never know I was carrying.
by ScooterSissy
Sun Apr 19, 2015 10:57 am
Forum: General Texas CHL Discussion
Topic: CC at private residence
Replies: 51
Views: 8590

Re: CC at private residence

I guess I'm a little surprised at some of the responses here. Some feel no one should come in their homes without first telling whether or not they're armed; do those folks also feel that permission should be granted by a business owner before someone carries? Why should a business have to post, but not a homeowner? To me, it's the same concept, if you don't want someone to carry in your home, post it.

As far as carrying in other folks homes, I carry just about anytime I leave the house. I'm not going to disarm just because I"m going to someone's home that i know (unless I see a sign on the door). I'm typically not going to leave it at home (unless they tell me to ahead of time). I've never had either happen.

Most of those that know me well know that if I come over, there's a good chance I'm armed. Those that don't know, I'm not likely to tell them one way or another.

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