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I have stayed out of this for some time now because I don't think any positions will be changed. Is there a difference between forgive and forget? When do we forgive someone for their actions? I do think it is kind of funny that we have some Sunday morning folks that seem to not want to do either. I think there is some book that talks about this right? Take CHL out of the discussion; I think it is silly that something someone does years ago can still haunt them today. Not everything and all cases but should exist a method at which you can truly remove history.

As others have pointed out, this is only recent that this has happened this way. When I was a kid, I used to make my own fire crackers, big ones!! I had a cop tell me that fireworks were illegal to light in the city and I stopped and then he proceeded to tell my mom and dad. Today, I would be arrested and the ATF be called. Here are few examples of why our forever system is broken:

I have a friend who was arrested because he had a baseball bat, glove and two balls in his truck. The bat was a weapon. Albeit, my friend was being a jerk to the cop and is why the cop arrested.
I know a sex offender because he and his girlfriend had sex when he was 17 and she was 16. Dad of daughter has since apologized. Has a record for ever though and he is married to the same girl.
I interviewed a guy that had MIP arrest when he was 20 y/o and had 0% BAC.
I know an honor student that was arrested and jailed because he had 30 30 ammunition (no rifle) left in his truck after he went hunting. On school property.
I know a good kid arrested because he had a knife in his car on school property.

There are very few people in this world that have not broken a law that you could have been arrested for. I'm not saying convicted, but arrested and a record for life.

Here is one example that I can say you can be arrested for and have a felony conviction for in Texas that many of you are doing today. All children more than 40 pounds, ages 4 through 8, must ride in a booster seat while a vehicle is moving. Children taller than 4 feet 9, however, are not required to be secured in booster seats. You can be arrested for Child Endangerment and charged with a felony. Any of you parents / grandparents fall in to this category? Don't think this is possible?

It happened in Trinity, Texas if I'm not mistaken and I remember reading about other cases as well when I was reading about this one.

You really think you should loose your ability to have a Gun or CHL because you didn't put your 4'8" grandson in a booster seat while taking him to the park and get ice cream.

function12 wrote:The problem there is when do you start the clock? At the date of conviction or date of release? I will just say you almost never get date of release on a background check. So, if a person does 50 years for murder they would have already meet the "7 year" mark like credit.

It was more for a topic of discussion than it was setting the 7/10 year rules for credit.

I couldn't imagine a pedophile being a school teacher because she/he managed not to get caught for a certain period of time and not it is removed. There are other cases tan just this one as well.

gigag04 wrote: Arrested on what charge?

MIP for example. I know that some states, they arrest for it. I interviewed a kid a while back and he didn't disclose it but showed up on his background check. I think it was Washington state and he was 20 when it happened.

OldGrumpy wrote:RX8er I have to respectfully disagree with you.

Thank you. Who said I disagree, I was playing devils advocate. I am always up for a respectful debate though.

I realize there are a few cases of where someone commits a crime without knowing what they are doing is a crime. However, in most cases people know what they are doing is illegal.

I agree to a point. I did many things as a kid that I knew were wrong, but did not know or understand the consequences. Does this make it right, or better; No it doesn't. And, I have to honest, there were some things that I would have never thought were illegal that I did as a kid but as I grew up, I learned otherwise.

If I know it is illegal and do it anyway then I have to be prepared to accept the consequences.

Agree 100%. can't do the time, don't do the crime.

Sometimes it may seem unfair but I had a college prof whose favorite saying was : " I never promised I would be fair - I only promised to enforce the rules that I set on the first day of class". Yes, life is sometimes unfair, but it is usually a result of our own actions.

Again, I don't disagree with this. I tell my kids, darn near every day: 'The Fair Comes In September"


I go back to my original questions I have though:

Are you saying that you never made a wrong choice or a bad decision? Or, that you just didn't get caught? Or, just not one that would disqualify?

How long should this apply, for ever? Someone that made a wrong decision 20 years should be punished today?
Is there an age qualification as well? How about when you were a kid; 8, 10, 14, 16 or 18 and made a bad decision? I know 18 is an adult but yet still a kid. Always have the argument about buying alcohol, CHL, gambling 18 versus 21 is because 18 don't make good decisions.

How about someone that had mental problems 20 years, never buy a gun or get CHL?

What are your thoughts about a persons criminal history being like a credit report or along the same lines?

Devils advocate here..... Are you saying that you never made a wrong choice or a bad decision? Or, that you just didn't get caught? Or, just not one that would disqualify? How long should this apply, for ever? Someone that made a wrong decision 20 years should be punished today?

For example, most of the folks I know drank at least one alcoholic beverage before legal age. If they got caught, get arrested and now they have a CHL stumbling block. I have a buddy who was driving from El Paso to Dallas and was doing 93 in a 65. He went to jail for it. I'll have to ask him what he was charged with but now he waits for 1.5 more years.

Is there an age qualification as well? How about when you were a kid; 8, 10, 14, 16 or 18 and made a bad decision? I know 18 is an adult but yet still a kid. Always have the argument about buying alcohol, CHL, gambling 18 versus 21....

How about someone that had mental problems 20 years, never buy a gun or get CHL?

I have never truly agreed with how our system works. IMHO, I think a persons criminal history should be like a credit report or along the same lines.