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TexasCajun wrote:Open carry and (to a lesser degree) campus carry are on the fast track for passage this session. And because of the antics of OCT and OCTC, these are likely to be the bills that pass to the exclusion of almost every other gun rights bill. So when the constitutional carry crowd gets riled up about licensed oc and starts putting up road blocks, they're not just hurting the bill that's being discussed. They are actually causing us to lose ground. So much effort has been expended getting licensed oc and campus carry through the process that better bills (HB 308 - removing most of the off limits places for CHLs, and SB 273 - imposing a penalty for gov't entities posting unenforceable 30.06 signage) are stalled. Once again, the all or nothing option results in nothing.

K.Mooneyham wrote:

G.A. Heath wrote:

SA-TX wrote:

Charles L. Cotton wrote:

K5GU wrote:

v7a wrote:'Prince of POO' forces delay in open carry, _______ bills

Rep. Jonathan Stickland, R-Bedford, said he will attempt to force a vote on constitutional carry on Friday. If the House refuses, he said he has 162 amendments he can offer to make the bill less restrictive. Open carry opponents are expected to submit a number of their own amendments, including one to bar open carry by those who have lost their Texas concealed handgun licenses.

I hope that's a typo, but 6 and 2 are not that close on the keyboard...

I don't know what bill Stickland would be "forcing a vote on" ? His HB 195 is still waiting to go to committee.
And if he really has that many amendments to his bill, that sounds like a re-write is in order.

He'll probably offer it as an amendment to HB910. He stood on the steps of the Capitol and proudly proclaimed that he will try to amend it to every bill dealing with guns.

Chas.

Isn't that what Sen. Huffines did and it was voted down soundly?

I'm torn between the bird in the hand vs. the two in the bush. I understand strategically that licensed OC is the path of least resistance and seems poised to pass & be signed into law. It is an improvement over current law so I support it. On the other hand, I'm glad that Rep. Stickland and Sen. Huffines are asking the question "Why should the state be involved in this exercise of a constitutional right at all?" If only more lawmakers at all levels asked such questions!

As much of a tough spot as it might put those in who support licensed OC but not unlicensed or constitutional carry, we have a governor who seems to have said he'll sign any of the above. Taking him up on that offer is awfully tempting.

I don't know what I would do as a member but as a Texan and CHLer, the only way I can lose would be for some poison pill to be attached to the bill and not even get licensed OC. If something restoring even more liberty makes it into law, so much the better.

SA-TX

The problem is that unlicensed OC could be that poison pill that kills this bill, but that is not what many are worried about. What most folks are worried about is the fact that he reportedly has 162 amendments ready to be offered for this bill and simply voting each and everyone of them down along with killing all the anti-gun amendments will delay this bill to the point that we could see it die. Time is not on our side here, and the extremist positions from both ends are seemingly joining forces to delay this bill to death as well as any other pro-gun measures.

With a legislator pulling stunts like that, who needs enemies when he seems to want to mess things up all by himself? If he wrecks what amounts to a pretty good chance to advance some serious pro-firearms legislation, with Republicans in control of the whole kit and kaboodle, then I hope when his term is up, he finds himself looking for a new line of work.

G.A. Heath wrote:

SA-TX wrote:

Charles L. Cotton wrote:

K5GU wrote:

v7a wrote:'Prince of POO' forces delay in open carry, _______ bills

Rep. Jonathan Stickland, R-Bedford, said he will attempt to force a vote on constitutional carry on Friday. If the House refuses, he said he has 162 amendments he can offer to make the bill less restrictive. Open carry opponents are expected to submit a number of their own amendments, including one to bar open carry by those who have lost their Texas concealed handgun licenses.

I hope that's a typo, but 6 and 2 are not that close on the keyboard...

I don't know what bill Stickland would be "forcing a vote on" ? His HB 195 is still waiting to go to committee.
And if he really has that many amendments to his bill, that sounds like a re-write is in order.

He'll probably offer it as an amendment to HB910. He stood on the steps of the Capitol and proudly proclaimed that he will try to amend it to every bill dealing with guns.

Chas.

Isn't that what Sen. Huffines did and it was voted down soundly?

I'm torn between the bird in the hand vs. the two in the bush. I understand strategically that licensed OC is the path of least resistance and seems poised to pass & be signed into law. It is an improvement over current law so I support it. On the other hand, I'm glad that Rep. Stickland and Sen. Huffines are asking the question "Why should the state be involved in this exercise of a constitutional right at all?" If only more lawmakers at all levels asked such questions!

As much of a tough spot as it might put those in who support licensed OC but not unlicensed or constitutional carry, we have a governor who seems to have said he'll sign any of the above. Taking him up on that offer is awfully tempting.

I don't know what I would do as a member but as a Texan and CHLer, the only way I can lose would be for some poison pill to be attached to the bill and not even get licensed OC. If something restoring even more liberty makes it into law, so much the better.

SA-TX

The problem is that unlicensed OC could be that poison pill that kills this bill, but that is not what many are worried about. What most folks are worried about is the fact that he reportedly has 162 amendments ready to be offered for this bill and simply voting each and everyone of them down along with killing all the anti-gun amendments will delay this bill to the point that we could see it die. Time is not on our side here, and the extremist positions from both ends are seemingly joining forces to delay this bill to death as well as any other pro-gun measures.

Charles L. Cotton wrote:

K5GU wrote:

v7a wrote:'Prince of POO' forces delay in open carry, _______ bills

Rep. Jonathan Stickland, R-Bedford, said he will attempt to force a vote on constitutional carry on Friday. If the House refuses, he said he has 162 amendments he can offer to make the bill less restrictive. Open carry opponents are expected to submit a number of their own amendments, including one to bar open carry by those who have lost their Texas concealed handgun licenses.

I hope that's a typo, but 6 and 2 are not that close on the keyboard...

I don't know what bill Stickland would be "forcing a vote on" ? His HB 195 is still waiting to go to committee.
And if he really has that many amendments to his bill, that sounds like a re-write is in order.

He'll probably offer it as an amendment to HB910. He stood on the steps of the Capitol and proudly proclaimed that he will try to amend it to every bill dealing with guns.

Chas.