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dac1842 wrote:...I think a lesson we all take away from the Joe Horn case is do not state your intentions. Call 911, identify the problem, allow the police to respond. I personally believe that Joe Horn would not have had suffered near as much grief if he had just called 911 and reported a burglary in progress, and then gone outside and fixed stupid x2.

LedJedi wrote: "Joe Horn is my hero"

Jeff Cooper's work has been monumental in my self defense mentality and strategy.

Here's some of Mr. Cooper's universal wisdom just as a teaser.

4 Universal rules of gun safety.
1) All guns are always loaded.
2) Never point the muzzle at anything you are not willing to destroy.
3) Keep your finger off the trigger until your sights are on the target.
4) Be sure of your target and what is behind it
- Jeff Cooper

If you don't intend to win, don't fight. But, if you choose to fight, make winning your exclusive objective until the fight is over.
- Jeff Cooper

I dreamed I saw Joe Horn last night,
alive as you and me.
Says I "But Joe, you're ten years dead"
"I never died" said he,
"I never died" said he.

"The Next Door Burglars killed you Joe,
they bashed you Joe" says I.
"Takes more than clubs to kill a man"
Says Joe "I didn't die"
Says Joe "I didn't die"

"In Pasadena, Joe," says I,
Him standing by my bed,
"They framed you on a murder charge,"
Says Joe, "But I ain't dead,"
Says Joe, "But I ain't dead."

And standing there as big as life
and smiling with his eyes.
Says Joe "What they can never kill
went on to strategize,
went on to strategize"

From Pasadena up to Spring,
in every mine and mill,
Where well-armed folks defend their rights,
it's there you find Joe Hill,
it's there you find Joe Hill!

I dreamed I saw Joe Hill last night,
alive as you and me.
Says I "But Joe, you're ten years dead"
"I never died" said he,
"I never died" said he.

E10 wrote:

Liberty wrote: Some 1911s can go off by themselves. Most modern weapons can't, but as I understand it is possible for some 1911s to go off without the trigger being pulled.

I beg to differ. ANY weapon can go off if dropped, abused, or otherwise mishandled. The safety measures, such as thumb safety, grip safety, decocker, and firing pin block reduce the likelihood to almost zero in modern weapons. It's best to behave as if it's always possible. Let's be safe out there.