Llama min max 45. A co-worker's wife was on his case about loaning money to his deadbeat friend, so he decided to sell one of his many guns to get around her anger and still help his friend. He was an extremely nice guy, so even though I really didn't want the gun, I helped him out. He said he would try to buy it back from me, but never could. After many moons of sitting in my safe, I went to the gun show and sold it for what I paid. Never even shot the gun. It was easy sell becuase it wasn't a gun I was really interested in and they guy didn't want it back. Plus, I think it weighed about 15lbs and that was about the same time frame where I was getting interested in Glocks so I had no interest in a knock off 1911.