Holcomb can claim anything he wants to, in the end being a pastor will not change things when he faces judgement (On Earth or Not). He was a participant in the "Lets Go To The Capital and Get Arrested" Game that OCT/CATI/TC played. The last few sessions all I heard was "The NRA and TSRA killed Open Carry by not supporting it, if they supported it then it would have passed..." Then in 2014 the Senate had an interim hearing, some people asked for it to be about OC instead of Campus Carry and those people were not in one of the many open carry groups nor was it Mr. Holcomb. I will not reveal who they were because that information is not mine to share. The NRA and TSRA supported OC this year and did their lobby work on it. They went to great lengths to undo or minimize damage caused by zealots. Did Mr. Holcomb work hard to get OC passed? I don't know about that, but I do know he was either lobbying ineffectively or he was lobbying illegally because he was not registered as a lobbyist for 2015.Ruark wrote:I remember watching all that. Where is that Holcomb guy in this picture? A lot of OCT members (including himself) give him full credit for OC getting passed. He claims to be personally responsible for obtaining the original 85 signatures that got the bill rolling.G.A. Heath wrote: The Dutton amendment was DEAD because of CJ Grisham's stunt in Oklahoma, OCT/CATI/OCTC's antics/statements, and because of Stickland's comments. Unlicensed Carry was DEAD because of Kory Watkins, CJ Grisham, CATI, OCT, and OCTC only because they pushed more people over to the other side than they brought over.
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- Fri Jan 01, 2016 11:02 am
- Forum: General Texas CHL Discussion
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- Fri Jan 01, 2016 12:32 am
- Forum: General Texas CHL Discussion
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ha, dropped my phone and managed to quote myself, deleted the contents of the quoting post.
- Fri Jan 01, 2016 12:32 am
- Forum: General Texas CHL Discussion
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The Dutton Amendment was stripped from HB910 by the senate when they got the bill, it was added back in with slightly different wording and then sent back to the house. Because the two versions were different it had to go to conference committee and it was stripped out again. While all of this was going on the Governor telegraphed on twitter that he would veto the bill if the amendment was in it. How did CJ Grisham contribute to this? Look here:stingeragent wrote:I thought the Dutton amendment got tabled because of a wording issue. I get what your saying but it could honestly go either way. I don't think there's anyway for us to know for sure how many people got pushed one way or another. I have seen other videos, not just theirs, and not just in texas and numerous people come up asking questions, asking for a card or a website, because they had no idea it was legal to open carry. That's a good reason why people panic because they don't know the law. They see someone with a gun an immediately think they must be a criminal if they have a gun. Same reason I assume the media/ PD's are much more involved this go around getting the word out so that hopefully people will not panic. Some people cannot be pushed to either side though. I think those on the fence are the minority. I've had some heated conversations with stringent anti gun folks on facebook, and you can talk to them until your blue in the face and they just can't comprehend that a 30.06 sign isn't going to stop a criminal from coming in with a gun. It's only gonna stop a licensed person that means no harm.
The way you get people to accept OC is to do it while not presenting yourself as a pain the backside. Don't make a scene, Don't stir the pot. and don't invite chaos. The trick is to be normal while doing it.
- Fri Jan 01, 2016 12:12 am
- Forum: General Texas CHL Discussion
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Think about it like this:stingeragent wrote:As I've said in posts before I'm not a member of OCT, but I honestly don't see why what they did was a big deal. What is the difference between going into whataburger with a holstered handgun (hypothetically if it was legal before an hour from now), and going into one with an AR-15 slung over the back. Both weapons can inflict serious damage. Theres plenty of pistol mags out there with the same capacity as an AR. If it was reversed and rifle open carry was banned, but pistols weren't, and they all went in with pistols , the same people would have freaked out. A gun is a gun. You can pop off a handgun just as fast as a legal AR.
You have person "A" who 100% supports the second amendment, but uses in your face tactics to get his point across. Person "A" while a "Pure" supporter pushes more fence straddlers to the other side than he brings over to our side. Now lets take person "B" who is a 90% supporter of the second amendment, but he doesn't do anything to hurt the cause he just doesn't support everything. He brings people over to our side without pushing anyone over to the other side. Which one do you want helping your cause?
The Dutton amendment was DEAD because of CJ Grisham's stunt in Oklahoma, OCT/CATI/OCTC's antics/statements, and because of Stickland's comments. Unlicensed Carry was DEAD because of Kory Watkins, CJ Grisham, CATI, OCT, and OCTC only because they pushed more people over to the other side than they brought over. Just because someone doesn't support everything you want right now doesn't mean they are an enemy, and just because someone wants everything you do doesn't mean they are a friend.