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cb1000rider wrote:

Bitter Clinger wrote:New Democrat voters were created by not securing the borders. That is also the source of much of the crime that we are seeing and likely the next domestic terrorist attack as well. If there is data on that phone that could stop the next attack, than Apple should turn it over, full stop. Everything else is just commentary.

Certainly newly minted citizens looking for opportunity tend to vote Democratic. I do take pause pushing the whole deal on the Democrats though. It was Reagan and Bush who actually passed amnesty that resulted in the immediate minting of a a bunch of new citizens. We tend to do that every few decades and it's not just Democrats.

And lets say that Trump gets into office, arm-wrestles Mexico into building that wall for us, puts up a trade embargo that costs zero American jobs and all that jazz... IE - the influx problem is dealt with and the economy is still functional.

Here's what Republicans need to remember.. Assuming that there are some left after this coming implosion of an election:
Even if you stop all of the illegal migration, the birth rate within the Hispanic demographic means that Republicans might have to start actually accepting some of those 2nd-generation voters.. Alienating the majority of a population probably isn't a good long term strategy. That is, especially in our state, that particular demographic will be a powerful force...

Like it or not, it's in the statistics.. Gotta play the long game.

The Annoyed Man wrote:

JALLEN wrote:

cb1000rider wrote:
Why do I care, if I have nothing to hide? Because I think the government should respect the constitution, even if that means we live with greater threats in our lives.

Well, greater threats means more deaths, and more deaths mean more Democrat voters.... or is that what you meant by "greater threats" in the first place?

Realistically, one of the prime responsibilities we expect of government is supressing violence, and if violence starts making people afraid, they complain to their Congressmen to "do something." That's when the values of the Constitution is at risk.

You mean like when the democrat administration and state department got people killed in Benghazi, lied about the cause, and swarms of New Democrat voters were created as a result?

Redneck_Buddha wrote:

Dave2 wrote:

Bitter Clinger wrote:

mrvmax wrote:If you read their statement the FBI wants them to develop a program to hack any phone, they are not interested in just getting what is on the terrorists phone. You can consider this "the right thing" if you consider invading everyone's privacy the right thing. If the FBI just asked for Apple to give them access to the phone it would not be an issue but that is not what they are asking.

Apple CEO Tim Cook sucking up to current Apple customers, shareholders, and his Silicon Valley constituency.

On appeal Apple will likely lose this case - but by that time whatever actionable information is on the phone will be so aged as to have zero value.

Nice. I'm just sad that I can only NOT buy so many Apple products. I just canceled an order for 4 i-pads for work today.

Because you prefer to use something that's easier to hack?

Wow. Touche!

bayou wrote: wholeheartedly with TAM

Item #7 assumes that Apple's systems are 100% secure from intrusion. Once word has gotten out that Apple were cooperating in the manner described in item 7, how long would it take before hackers worldwide overwhelmed Apple's digital infrastructure in attempts to access and steal the "tool"?

Abraham wrote:Here's an idea.

Put your I-pad, I-phone in your driveway.

Then, run over them with your vehicle of choice until they're broken into itty bitty pieces.

Sweep up the pieces.

Bring them to an electronic recycle center.

Problem solved!

Now, you can smell the flowers, feel the sun on your face, talk in person to your wife/husband/children/neighbors and finally quit obsessing over your darn I-this or I-that...

The Annoyed Man wrote:

G.A. Heath wrote:My take is this: Apple can most likely create a tool to disable the protection against brute force attacks, which would allow the government to access the phone eventually. What the government wants is a tool to access the encryption on ANY iOS device and they are using this case to get a court order demanding it. I support getting access to the terrorists data, but I do not support allowing the government access to my information any time they wish to access it. I may be old fashioned but I kinda like that pesky fourth amendment.

This ^^

The analog to this is the atom bomb. Gov't asked scientists to developed it. They did. Gov't used it....just two times.... and then tried to protect it's secrets from hostile nations once the knowledge of its existence became public. Now, we can make very rational arguments for its necessity at the time Heck my own dad probably survived the war because those bombs were dropped, canceling Operation Downfall and the invasion of Japan for which he was training at the time. But within 4 years in 1949, the USSR detonated their first test bomb. The Brits had it by 1952. France had it by 1960; China in 1964; India by 1974. The genie was out of the bottle. At first, it was built and stockpiled by gov'ts which either could be trusted not to ever use it except in extremis, OR, as with the USSR, trusted to not use it because of the policy of mutually assured destruction. Today, the NORKS have the bomb. Pakistan has the bomb. Iran is building a bomb. Iraq under Saddam Hussein tried to build a bomb. The genie is not only well and truly out of the bottle, but it has gotten too big to be put back in.

If Apple does this, the genie is out of the bottle. For good.....so that the FBI can build a more complete case against two dead terrorists, and MAYBE find some leads on others. I don't want my personal security permanently violated for that purpose.

cyphertext wrote:

Bitter Clinger wrote:However, a stinking piece of crap terrorist has NO rights, and his seized property should be used to the maximum extent to thwart terror.

Actually, he was a US citizen, so he does have rights... or at least would if he were still alive. With all of the resources available to the US gov, I don't see why they can't get a few iPhones and a few geeks and reverse engineer it themselves. Seems like it should be a skill set that a gov agency has, but I guess No Such Agency exists...

And really, what do you expect to find on this phone? It belongs to his employer. They were smart enough to destroy personal phones and hard drives...

Sorry, I'm with Apple on this one. If the gov can't figure it out on their own, they should not be able to force a company to build a backdoor to bypass the encryption and security that the consumer has paid for. I have nothing to hide either, but I don't welcome the police into my home or my auto, so why would I want Apple to unlock my phone and let them in there?

Dave2 wrote:

Bitter Clinger wrote:They can hack my phone anytime. I have an extensive collection of anti-Obama and anti-Democrat cartoons, some of them NSFW.

Apple simply does possess the will to do the right thing and obtain the information off the terrorist's phone without compromising innocent private users. And that is why I will never purchase any of their left wing Socialist products. YMMV, and that too, is your right.

You realize that that's kinda the opposite of how that phrase is normally used, right? In the context of siding with the people over the government, I mean.

Dave2 wrote:

Bitter Clinger wrote:

mrvmax wrote:If you read their statement the FBI wants them to develop a program to hack any phone, they are not interested in just getting what is on the terrorists phone. You can consider this "the right thing" if you consider invading everyone's privacy the right thing. If the FBI just asked for Apple to give them access to the phone it would not be an issue but that is not what they are asking.

Apple CEO Tim Cook sucking up to current Apple customers, shareholders, and his Silicon Valley constituency.

On appeal Apple will likely lose this case - but by that time whatever actionable information is on the phone will be so aged as to have zero value.

Nice. I'm just sad that I can only NOT buy so many Apple products. I just canceled an order for 4 i-pads for work today.

Because you prefer to use something that's easier to hack?

mrvmax wrote:If you read their statement the FBI wants them to develop a program to hack any phone, they are not interested in just getting what is on the terrorists phone. You can consider this "the right thing" if you consider invading everyone's privacy the right thing. If the FBI just asked for Apple to give them access to the phone it would not be an issue but that is not what they are asking.