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by tfrazier
Thu Apr 16, 2009 11:26 am
Forum: Gun and/or Self-Defense Related Political Issues
Topic: WEAPONS BAN
Replies: 56
Views: 9039

Re: WEAPONS BAN

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We've been busted!

Sorry for getting so carried away, Longtooth. I tried to reign myself in, but too late.

I'm going to go set up a half dozen or so Google alerts to watch for any federal proposed legislation or white papers on Weapons Bans. Anything I find will be used to refuel this thread...back on topic.

'Nite, Sam.
'Nite, Ralph.
by tfrazier
Thu Apr 16, 2009 7:00 am
Forum: Gun and/or Self-Defense Related Political Issues
Topic: WEAPONS BAN
Replies: 56
Views: 9039

Re: WEAPONS BAN

Well, Nitogen has definitely sunk my battleship at least once (that I'll admit to in this thread); hence I added a note to the post I made with what I thought (at the time) was a brilliant stroke:
tfrazier wrote:Oh, and by the way:
-Barack Obama, VPC Fund Raiser, 2007 said instead of wrote:"My first priority will be to reinstate the assault weapons ban as soon as I take office... In the first year, I intend to work with Congress on a national no carry law, 1 gun a month purchase limits, and bans on all semi-automatic guns."
Does that satisfy those who think it's just the congress we have to worry about?

NOTE Added 04/16/09: In response to Nitro's challenge to back this quote up later in this thread, I discovered that there are no video or audio artifacts to prove this full quote actually occurred, and beyond that, the event it was reported to have occurred at is an apparent total fabrication. I posted it having read it at multiple third hand sites without researching it first, which was obviously a bad tactic. When I'm wrong, I'm wrong. However, the video and audio posted in the remainder of the thread show that all of these phrases with the possible exception of the "bans on all semi-automatic guns" portion, have been uttered by Mr. Obama at various times.
It's obvious neither of us will be changing our minds...but it's been a very fun back-and-forth.
by tfrazier
Wed Apr 15, 2009 10:49 pm
Forum: Gun and/or Self-Defense Related Political Issues
Topic: WEAPONS BAN
Replies: 56
Views: 9039

Re: WEAPONS BAN

Nitrogen,

Thanks for the lesson about the blatant honesty of the left and Mr. Obama; and the chastisement over the quotes and videos and audio clips I fabricated and managed to get news outlets across the country to produce. I'm glad the left is watching out for a lying hick like me, but you must admit my Obama voice impression is impeccable.
:tiphat:
I am not a member or supporter of either of the primary political parties as of 03/04/08, if that's what you were implying by your 'other team' reference.

I never said I hated the guy; but then again he also never said he wanted to bring back the assault weapons ban, either, so we're all just making stuff up from the president on down to little ol' foolish and intellectually dishonest me.

I'm glad that's all sorted out now.
by tfrazier
Wed Apr 15, 2009 6:08 pm
Forum: Gun and/or Self-Defense Related Political Issues
Topic: WEAPONS BAN
Replies: 56
Views: 9039

Re: WEAPONS BAN

nitrogen wrote: I challenge you to back this quote up with facts. Provide sources for the quote, please.
'Sigh'
http://www.ontheissues.org/domestic/Bar ... ontrol.htm - see heading "Ban semi-automatics, and more possession restrictions "
http://glassbooth.org/explore/index/bar ... control/9/
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assault_weapons_ban - see "Urban policy agenda of President Obama" on that page.
http://blogs.suntimes.com/sweet/2008/04 ... ebate.html

How many would you like? Want me to paste them in and highlight them for you? I know the VPC denies he said it, and that Obama denies he said it, but he also denied his writing was on that Illinois senate questionnaire where he checked yes under "Support a ban on sale of all semi-automatic firearms" and later they produced the card with HIS writing. Just because there isn't a YouTube video of it doesn't mean it didn't happen.

He has made each of the statements in the quote separately and together, according to the various sources I provided above.

And how about these:
[youtube]http://youtube.com/watch?v=DhL8aeIsTEo[/youtube]
[youtube]http://youtube.com/watch?v=q-4jqZSEo0Q[/youtube]
by tfrazier
Wed Apr 15, 2009 3:30 pm
Forum: Gun and/or Self-Defense Related Political Issues
Topic: WEAPONS BAN
Replies: 56
Views: 9039

Re: WEAPONS BAN

Oh, and by the way:
-Barack Obama, VPC Fund Raiser, 2007 said instead of wrote:"My first priority will be to reinstate the assault weapons ban as soon as I take office... In the first year, I intend to work with Congress on a national no carry law, 1 gun a month purchase limits, and bans on all semi-automatic guns."
Does that satisfy those who think it's just the congress we have to worry about?

NOTE Added 04/16/09: In response to Nitro's challenge to back this quote up later in this thread, I discovered that there are no video or audio artifacts to prove this full quote actually occurred, and beyond that, the event it was reported to have occurred at is an apparent total fabrication. I posted it having read it at multiple third hand sites without researching it first, which was obviously a bad tactic. When I'm wrong, I'm wrong. However, the video and audio posted in the remainder of the thread show that all of these phrases with the possible exception of the "bans on all semi-automatic guns" portion, have been utterred by Mr. Obama at various times.
by tfrazier
Wed Apr 15, 2009 1:42 pm
Forum: Gun and/or Self-Defense Related Political Issues
Topic: WEAPONS BAN
Replies: 56
Views: 9039

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Neville Chamberlain wrote:We should seek by all means in our power to avoid war, by analysing possible causes, by trying to remove them, by discussion in a spirit of collaboration and good will.
...he knew how to keep his cool.

Yeah. So how'd that work out for ya, Neville?

One day, we will be sitting around quietly and politely arguing about our second amendment rights by the water cooler at work whilst the government is in the parking lots and our houses removing our guns.

53% voted an administration into office that is clearly anti gun rights and pro abortion. And people tell me not to be hysterical... :banghead:

Just because no one has created a formal agenda stating they are going to try to take away gun rights does not mean an attempt will not be made.

I am astounded that a culture (CHL holders) built around the concept of being prepared for the worst even though the worst will likely never happen would have voices crying out "don't worry, the government is too busy with other things to go after your guns..." or, "there's too much pro-gun ownership sentiment for them to dare try to take our guns..."

Since when has the will of the people stopped a government from doing anything? How many people are in favor of an income tax? That constitutional perversion was put in place to fund the north during the civil war. Did it go away after the war? Let's see, 145 years and counting...nope, I just sent my income tax off last night.

This administration and congressional den of thieves just needs one excuse and they will take your guns without even a sideways glance at the constitution.
by tfrazier
Wed Apr 15, 2009 8:25 am
Forum: Gun and/or Self-Defense Related Political Issues
Topic: WEAPONS BAN
Replies: 56
Views: 9039

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Wow! I'm flattered. Thanks for the wonderful compliments, and the insightful debate.

I'm here for the good natured arguments and debates; that's how I learn. My opinions are not set in stone, but as I age I find that they change less and less...

Of course, sometimes I am 100% wrong. And I admit it when someone convinces me of that. :tiphat:
by tfrazier
Tue Apr 14, 2009 9:57 pm
Forum: Gun and/or Self-Defense Related Political Issues
Topic: WEAPONS BAN
Replies: 56
Views: 9039

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The rights of society have been used to annihilate individual freedom too often. While a nation and culture would not survive if there were no consideration for society as a whole over the rights of individuals, the danger is that those considerations are always available for evil people to use as an excuse to trample the individual and steal his property.
Karl Marx wrote:From each according to his abilities, to each according to his needs.
Sounds a lot like...
[youtube]http://youtube.com/watch?v=iivL4c_3pck[/youtube]
by tfrazier
Tue Apr 14, 2009 8:13 pm
Forum: Gun and/or Self-Defense Related Political Issues
Topic: WEAPONS BAN
Replies: 56
Views: 9039

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tfrazier wrote:
LaUser wrote:
tfrazier wrote:
You have it backwards: I'm not appalled that an unstable person got a gun.
You should be. Because the more this happens, people will find more reason to support anti-gun legislation.
I said it back in January of 2008, and I stand by it: Brady Bunch, Bush, and the NRA Agree on Latest Federal Gun Control Measure

Here's a pertinent excerpt from that article if you don't feel like reading the whole thing:
by tfrazier
Tue Apr 14, 2009 8:09 pm
Forum: Gun and/or Self-Defense Related Political Issues
Topic: WEAPONS BAN
Replies: 56
Views: 9039

Re: WEAPONS BAN

LaUser wrote:
tfrazier wrote:
You have it backwards: I'm not appalled that an unstable person got a gun.
You should be. Because the more this happens, people will find more reason to support anti-gun legislation.
I said it back in January of 2008, and I stand by it: http://www.associatedcontent.com/articl ... html?cat=2
by tfrazier
Tue Apr 14, 2009 1:24 pm
Forum: Gun and/or Self-Defense Related Political Issues
Topic: WEAPONS BAN
Replies: 56
Views: 9039

Re: WEAPONS BAN

LaUser wrote:...We need to stand up and say that we are gun owners and we are appalled that an unstable person who should never have obtained a weapon killed someone and the we are for keeping guns out of the hands of such persons...
You have it backwards: I'm not appalled that an unstable person got a gun. I'm appalled that stable persons who have a god-given right to defend themselves are denied the ability to carry a gun so they can respond to the criminals with guns.

I'm far more concerned with the fact that the government (AND Barack Hussein Obama) is bent on removing my right to own and carry guns than I am about their pitiful and failed attempts to keep criminals from obtaining them.

http://www.associatedcontent.com/articl ... html?cat=9

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