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by dale blanker
Mon Jan 04, 2016 2:54 pm
Forum: Gun and/or Self-Defense Related Political Issues
Topic: Obama Executive Action Soon
Replies: 56
Views: 9379

Re: Obama Executive Action Soon

Bitter Clinger wrote:
dale blanker wrote:
sjfcontrol wrote:Used your data (not verified)

[chart showing mass shootings by president deleted to save space]
See
http://www.snopes.com/mass-shootings-obama/

Is the chart supposed to show that that need to keep guns out of the hands of crazies is growing?
The chart illustrates, to me, the simple fact that lawlessness has markedly increased under this failed presidency.
Ok, you don't believe Snopes, then how about Wikipedia:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crime_in_ ... ted_States ???
by dale blanker
Mon Jan 04, 2016 12:58 pm
Forum: Gun and/or Self-Defense Related Political Issues
Topic: Obama Executive Action Soon
Replies: 56
Views: 9379

Re: Obama Executive Action Soon

RW19 wrote: The problem with the no-fly list, and the mental disability requisite, is that they're both not real clear on how you get placed on those lists, nor is there any way of getting yourself off the lists once you can prove you're competent to own a gun.
DHS is currently or will soon be notifying all U.S citizens who are on the no-fly list that they are on the list and why. Also, one can appeal their listing and have their status changed.

The Gun Control Act of 1968 prohibits any person from selling or otherwise transferring a firearm or ammunition to any person who has been “adjudicated as a mental defective” or “committed to any mental institution.” According to federal regulations, a person has been “adjudicated as a mental defective” if a court, board, commission or other lawful authority has determined that he or she, as a result of marked subnormal intelligence, or mental illness, incompetency, condition, or disease: (1) is a danger to himself, herself, or others, or (2) lacks the mental capacity to contract or manage his or her own affairs.

Most people including Senator Cornyn with his proposed legislation (and the NRA) think keeping guns from the mentally ill is a worthy objective. Is it totally achievable? Is any law totally effective???
by dale blanker
Sun Jan 03, 2016 2:43 pm
Forum: Gun and/or Self-Defense Related Political Issues
Topic: Obama Executive Action Soon
Replies: 56
Views: 9379

Re: Obama Executive Action Soon

sjfcontrol wrote:Used your data (not verified)

[chart showing mass shootings by president deleted to save space]
See
http://www.snopes.com/mass-shootings-obama/

Is the chart supposed to show that that need to keep guns out of the hands of crazies is growing?
by dale blanker
Sat Jan 02, 2016 3:55 pm
Forum: Gun and/or Self-Defense Related Political Issues
Topic: Obama Executive Action Soon
Replies: 56
Views: 9379

Re: Obama Executive Action Soon

chuck j wrote:You can keep your statistics , there are no true statistics just agendas . I can come up with an unlimited amount of graphs , pie charts or anything you want to 'prove' my point . Naw , no stats for me .
Hmm, I bet you don't believe in climate change either(?). Evolution? Generally speaking it seems like we have to have some measurement to figure out if something can or is being improved. Every stat based on real data deserves some respect - agenda or not.

Someone said stats show we don't have a gun problem - maybe not, yet most agree that crazies should not have access to guns. What about people on the no-fly list? Should they be allowed to easily obtain a gun? [Let's assume the no-fly list is based on good data even though it no doubt can also be improved.]

Someone also noted that there are many causes of death so don't bother with trying to reduce deaths caused by a nut case with a gun. I believe there are serious attempts to reduce all causes of illness and death. Why not be serious about keeping guns from mentally ill? One argument is that anyone can get a gun no matter how deranged so why bother? Really???

How about requiring a class like we all had for our CHL to buy a gun? Oh wait, driver training doesn't stop car accidents so never mind. :banghead:
by dale blanker
Sat Jan 02, 2016 3:17 am
Forum: Gun and/or Self-Defense Related Political Issues
Topic: Obama Executive Action Soon
Replies: 56
Views: 9379

Re: Obama Executive Action Soon

Pawpaw wrote:Here is the true impact of the "gun problem".
There are 312 million people in the US.
According to the CDC, there are roughly 32,000 deaths a year in the US and declining from Gun Violence.
This means you have a 0.00010256410256410300% chance of death by gun.
Let's break those numbers down:
60% are suicides. That's 19,200
3% are accidental. That's 960
4% are justified. That's 1,280
33% are homicides. That's 10,560
80% of homicides are gang related. That's 8,448
That leaves 1,712 in a society of 312 million people.
If you don't hang out in the hood, are not planning to commit a crime, and if you do not plan on committing suicide, that chance drops to 0.00000548717948717949%
America DOES NOT have a gun problem.
On the other hand if one looks at the Firearm-related death rate due to homicide per 100,000 population per year as compared with other developed countries we don't look so good. For example, our gun homicide rate is 59 times that of UK, 7 times that of Canada, 22 times that of Australia, and 50 times that of Germany. This may be a time when we don't want to be a world leader.

Cornyn has a bill that would improve the Federal database for mental health data. How about that? Note that the bill does not cover all sales. Everyone agrees that people with mental problems should not be qualified to own a gun but we don't seem to get serious about it. Strange.

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