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rotor wrote:

NotRPB wrote:

twomillenium wrote:What if, what if, what if.
If I must go somewhere that is 30.06 posted. I grab my handy hardwood cane, which I occasionally do need. With some Hipkido training and a lot of practice, at least I do not feel completely unarmed. It also helps you get through the airport, because I do not fly somewhere without my cane.

Not a cure, but definitely an option.

I too carry my hardwood cane, but but what if we take a ride for carrying a cane past a 30.06 sign???
Oh wait
30.06 applies to Handguns
and only to handguns carried under authority of a License to Carry

I have no license to carry my cane ... and it's not prohibited by law to carry without a license.... guess i won't worry about carrying that which is not illegal.
I seem to recall a Federal Law about Police arresting someone for something which i not illegal is a viloation of their cibil rights and the arrest cannot be made in good faith for that which is not illegal

You guys with your illegal clubs. Stick with the folded rifle.

But But ... Americans with Disabilities Act probably gives me a cause of action for them prohibiting my cane after I "take a ride" Riding beats walking anyway ...

My interpretation of a "No Firearms" sign which does not cite Penal Code 30.05, indicates they prefer I carry a Black Powder or an Antique pistol or rifle. if that pistol or rifle is not defined as a firearm

3) "Firearm" means any device designed, made, or adapted to expel a projectile through a barrel by using the energy generated by an explosion or burning substance or any device readily convertible to that use. Firearm does not include a firearm that may have, as an integral part, a folding knife blade or other characteristics of weapons made illegal by this chapter and that is:

(A) an antique or curio firearm manufactured before 1899; or

(B) a replica of an antique or curio firearm manufactured before 1899, but only if the replica does not use rim fire or center fire ammunition.

I get a kick out of "firearm does not include a firearm ... "

twomillenium wrote:What if, what if, what if.
If I must go somewhere that is 30.06 posted. I grab my handy hardwood cane, which I occasionally do need. With some Hipkido training and a lot of practice, at least I do not feel completely unarmed. It also helps you get through the airport, because I do not fly somewhere without my cane.

Not a cure, but definitely an option.

I too carry my hardwood cane, but but what if we take a ride for carrying a cane past a 30.06 sign???
Oh wait
30.06 applies to Handguns
and only to handguns carried under authority of a License to Carry

I have no license to carry my cane ... and it's not prohibited by law to carry without a license.... guess i won't worry about carrying that which is not illegal.
I seem to recall a Federal Law about Police araesting someone for something which i not illegal is a viloation of their cibil rights and the arrest cannot be made in good faith for that which is not illegal

bblhd672 wrote:To you guys who are carrying Sub2K in a briefcase - what kind of briefcase are you using? I have one that I've had for 20+ years that I used to carry to work everyday, now it just sits in the closet. Just a typical briefcase with two metal clasp/combination locks on it.

My old "law office and school" briefcases were all worn out or donated or thrown out when I retired, so I bought several soft nylon Laptop cases, but any briefcase/laptop case that can handle a 16" to 16-1/2" length either straight across, or diagonally, should work. I bought the soft nylon Laptop cases all at Amazon pretty cheap

I usually use my 15-16" Caselogic laptop case (the 17" Caselogic case was a bit large, but it could work if you have one) but I own a much nicer Samsonite case too...

rotor wrote:FYI, the Glock 33 round mag is on sale at Midway for $29.99 at the present time.

Thanks
I only have about 5 or 6 of them, unless the Government bans them like some States do that have logic impairments, and is at my door asking, in which case they all fell out of my boat ... (boat was in the back yard at the time, but I don't want to give out too much Information TMI )

After reading a review:
http://lurkingrhythmically.blogspot.com ... -2000.html
I'm Ordering myself a New Years present
Sub2000 Operating Handle
http://twisted.industries/product/sub20 ... ng-handle/
Style:

Slim+Stainless+Double+Finger

$29.99

TAM,
THANK YOU for those Pics!!!
After carrying with bolt open and hearing it release as I set my laptop case down once on a hospital floor, I too tied back my bolt but in a much, much more complicated way. I was thinking of grinding out a J-hooked type area of the tube the bolt goes into so it'd be harder for it to go forward without being pulled back over that area, and decided to not mess with it, I figured on having to use my knife to cut my paracord ...
I'll be emulating your method in a few minutes.

Getting a bit off topic here ...
I expect now we'll get into definition of what is a firearm? Black Powder ones etc?

Besides, my CONCEALED long gun (For which no ride will be taken since concealed) were all made before 06:29 PM using 12-hour clock notation, 18:29 using 24-hour clock notation. (So I could contend they aren't "FIREARMS" anyway

Sec. 46.01. DEFINITIONS. In this chapter:
3) "Firearm" means any device designed, made, or adapted to expel a projectile through a barrel by using the energy generated by an explosion or burning substance or any device readily convertible to that use. Firearm does not include a firearm that may have, as an integral part, a folding knife blade or other characteristics of weapons made illegal by this chapter and that is:

(A) an antique or curio firearm manufactured before 1899;

18:29 must come before before 18:99 ... So ...
06:29 PM using 12-hour clock notation, 18:29 using 24-hour clock notation.

30.06 signs pertain to licensees with concealed handguns
30.07 pertains to licensees with open carried handguns
30.05 signs pertains to 30.05,
30.05 signs pertaining to rifles are exceedingly rare.


30.05 signs addressing switchblades/Kimber Pepper Blasters, Tasers, are almost non-existent


Not every No Shoes No Shirt No Service sign is addressing those matters under Penal Code Trespassing Section 30.05, >> that's the establishment's wish for you to return to your car and get dressed so they don't get in trouble with Health Dept, but no intent to arrest customers is there, AND no "Trespass warning" has been issued ./.. but sure a Trespass warning could be issued (if you fail to comply and put on shirt and shoes) ...then if after you get that warning you don't either leave or comply, yeah, you could be arrested if you're still there and didn't comply with when Police finally arrive.

If they didn't prohibit my thing they know nothing about, first they need to discover what's concealed, then issue a trespass warning, then I'd need to refuse to comply ...



No Shirt No Shoes No Service sign :



Sec. 30.05. CRIMINAL TRESPASS. (a) A person commits an offense if the person enters or remains on or in property of another, including residential land, agricultural land, a recreational vehicle park, a building, or an aircraft or other vehicle, without effective consent and the person:
(1) had notice that the entry was forbidden; or
(2) received notice to depart but failed to do so.

30.05 signs addressing solid hickory canes used in cane fighting might get a place sued under Americans with Disabilities act ..


That's where the sub2000 is handy to have.... and a Hickory Heartwood walking cane ... and .... Kimber Pepper Blaster, and ... rubber bands, Paper clips and water balloons ...

See Also: (Further opinions on Penal Code might be more appropriately posted here, where it was discussed previously) >> http://www.texaschlforum.com/viewtopic. ... 5#p1073647

Back on Topic now?
I carry what I carry where legal. If something is disallowed by law, I carry something which is legal.

Purpose of Original Post is to share with y'all a GOOD PRICE, about $200 less than I paid for one on KelTec sub2000 sub2k if you want one ...

Abraham wrote:And the gen differences are...?

Comparison Reviews


What is the difference in the Keltec 2000 gen one versus gen two
http://www.thektog.org/forum/f85/what-d ... wo-264276/

1911 10MM wrote:

NotRPB wrote:I think I paid aboput $550 for my Glock 19 style Gen 2 Sub2000 last year, and It's been in MANY St Davids Hospitals, Clinics, Austin area Cancer Centers and Seton Hospitals which were all posted 30.07 and 30.06 (so I left the Glock handgun in the car) this last year while I was caretaker for my uncle.
Made a trip to Lubbock (For the funeral) with the sub2k, between Nov 29th and Dec 8th too, in a 16.1" laptop bag along with spare mags, 2 Laptops. 1 tablet 3 phones and chargers, two Kimber Pepper sprayers, 2 folding knives, and 3 dog pepper sprays the Post office uses.. all in the 16" laptop case.

I just put the 32 round Glock mag in the Sub2000 and have a couple spare Glock 17 mags with +3 PierceGrip baseplates for extra 20 rounds each in the laptop case if that runs dry.

Obviously I have to leave my Glock 26 - 10 round handgun in the car I usually carry everywhere ... because ... signs ... it's the law you know, and I obey. I carry more ammo into the OSTENSIBLY "Gun-Free" areas which post 30.07+30.06 to keep ONLY licensees handguns out because "soft target" areas attract lunatic mass shooters/robbers and other criminals, so I carry extra ammo in those locations.

(Edited to correct typo, Mine is Gen 2 not Gen 3)

Most places that have 30.06 and 30.07 also have a no firearms or gunbuster sign. I don't believe you can carry past those as they have effectively forbidden all firearms.

The places I mentioned had no noticeable gunbuster signs, which have no force of law, and I didn't even see any applicable HEALTH AND SAFETY CODE sign, nor any 30.05 Penal Code signs, nor Sec. 46 Penal Code signs, but did have tobacco products prohibited and no smoking signs, I quit smoking on Thanksgiving 2011, so I'm good.

rotor wrote:I have one and love it too but I didn't know they have a gen 3 model.

I have a Gen 2 ... and fingers that hit wrong keys .. I corrected my prior post, thanks

I think I paid aboput $550 for my Glock 19 style Gen 2 Sub2000 last year, and It's been in MANY St Davids Hospitals, Clinics, Austin area Cancer Centers and Seton Hospitals which were all posted 30.07 and 30.06 (so I left the Glock handgun in the car) this last year while I was caretaker for my uncle.
Made a trip to Lubbock (For the funeral) with the sub2k, between Nov 29th and Dec 8th too, in a 16.1" laptop bag along with spare mags, 2 Laptops. 1 tablet 3 phones and chargers, two Kimber Pepper sprayers, 2 folding knives, and 3 dog pepper sprays the Post office uses.. all in the 16" laptop case.

I just put the 32 round Glock mag in the Sub2000 and have a couple spare Glock 17 mags with +3 PierceGrip baseplates for extra 20 rounds each in the laptop case if that runs dry.

Obviously I have to leave my Glock 26 - 10 round handgun in the car I usually carry everywhere ... because ... signs ... it's the law you know, and I obey. I carry more ammo into the OSTENSIBLY "Gun-Free" areas which post 30.07+30.06 to keep ONLY licensees handguns out because "soft target" areas attract lunatic mass shooters/robbers and other criminals, so I carry extra ammo in those locations.

(Edited to correct typo, Mine is Gen 2 not Gen 3)

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