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seamusTX wrote:

KBCraig wrote:We're talking about what a trial lawyer can bring up in front of a civil jury.

True, but that has always been rare in Texas and will be shut down after Sept. 1.

Do you think a lawyer would try to make the case that a nationally recognized champion shooter should have shot the weapon out of the bad guy's hand?

- Jim

You will still have civil liability after Sept 1. The new law is only a defense, not a prohibition of suits.

KBCraig wrote:

txinvestigator wrote:

KBCraig wrote:Because the lawyer for the deceased's family will make it look like you could have "shot him in the leg!" instead of a tight group of three in the brisket.

I have heard that argument too, and it makes no sense.

It's not my argument, so I'm not disagreeing with you. I'm just telling you the reason I've heard instructors give.

I thought so. I like to ask them then if I am a BAD shot, and barely pass, then I should be OK, right?

KBCraig wrote:

txinvestigator wrote:

sting3r wrote:I have heard the exact same thing from my class "we dont keep grades...you dont want a lawyer knowing you scored perfect on the range"

I always ask those who say that one thing, "why"?

Because the lawyer for the deceased's family will make it look like you could have "shot him in the leg!" instead of a tight group of three in the brisket.

I have heard that argument too, and it makes no sense. Part of a defensive shooting defense is TRAINING. Training shows that under stress we shoot larger groups than under static training conditions. Due to my concern for my fellow man, I would never aim for a small, moving target like a leg and endanger innocent citizens.

And the deceased actions were so potentially lethal that his unlawful use of deadly force against me needed to be immediately stopped. Studies of MANY shootings show that even center mass hits are not always going to stop a person right away, and often attackers who are shot in non-incapacitating ways often continue their deadly assault.

I did not want to use deadly force, and I certainly did not want the man to die; however, he left me NO choice. It was my belief that under the circumstances then existing, any shot less than center mass would have left me dead.

sting3r wrote:I have heard the exact same thing from my class "we dont keep grades...you dont want a lawyer knowing you scored perfect on the range"

I always ask those who say that one thing, "why"?

Drifter wrote:

txinvestigator wrote:

jbirds1210 wrote:Do CHL instructors even score a target like this with a numbered score? It is clear that he passed and I thought that a score was not recorded. Just wondering....nice shooting.

It depends. If the student wants his score, sure. My records and the form to the state shows Pass/Fail only.

My CHL class instructor had an interesting take on this issue. He gave us a Pass or Fail, but no scores and no take home targets. Said something like "You don't want any records of how well you shoot floating around if you are ever involved in an actual shooting." Seemed to make sense at the time, and more so the longer I thought about it..

Thats just one of those silly rumors. There is no reason NOT to have records of how well I shoot. None, NADA, zip!

jbirds1210 wrote:Do CHL instructors even score a target like this with a numbered score? It is clear that he passed and I thought that a score was not recorded. Just wondering....nice shooting.

It depends. If the student wants his score, sure. My records and the form to the state shows Pass/Fail only.

tornado wrote:OK, here's the target. How would you score me? Assuming none missed the target entirely.

Looks like a 247.

The one on the line between the 7 and 8 zone at about 5:30 is 5 points, as I count it in the 8 zone. Same with the one at 2:00.

The one on the line between the 7 and no number zone at about 7:00 I count in the 7 zone, and is worth 4 points.