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Lonegun1894 wrote:Bordshot wise, it shoots a pattern as wide as a mans chest at about 5 yds or so, and with the small size of shot and the wide patern, i wouldnt expect it to do anything other than making them real angry at me.

What about .410 slug or 00buck? What would that do?

oh yeah...now I know what you're talking about. If it is manufactured like that great...but don't make one yourself.

-nick

lrb111 wrote:

Lonegun1894 wrote:We used the thing we made as a close range deterrent. It was short, and the pattern sucked for normal use, but for clearing buildings where most of the shots were across a room or down the hall, it was a god-send.

I've often thought that a "foot long" was the perfect HD tool.
I still don't know how Derringer can make a tiny .410 pistol, but we can't have a short 12 guage.

It's registered as a short-barrelled rifle. I think there is a process you can go through to legally make one..but I'm not sure. Involves registering with the BATF and stuff...maybe even a class III.

-nick

Lonegun1894 wrote:Then again, a few friends of mine and i made a m-203 scaled down to fire 12ga shells. We got a few days access to a machine shop on a boat and got busy. We were gonna bring it back til we realized it was severely frowned upon back over here. So it was passed on to another Marine over there and as far as i know is still in use.

My best friend from High School did a tour in Iraq - he's a combat engineer, and thus got asked to do some door kicking in fallujah, since the marines needed engineers. He "found" a double barrelled side by side shotgun, cut it to be about 15" total. He called it his "key to the city" and used it to open locked doors. He had one shot for the door, and one for whatever was on the other side, and then his squad behind him piling in quick. He said generally it was a good time...all things considered.

So...thats one use for a 12 ga on a M-4
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-nick

Lonegun1894 wrote:If you saw my place, you'd realize just how correct you are. And by the way, you say that as if it was a bad thing....

It is...we should get rid of them...you know...for the kids and all.

*yawn* I think I'll go for a swim in my unfenced pool in a residential area.

-nick

Lonegun1894 wrote:Mec,
I wish i could disagree. I like fishing as much as the next guy, but for some reason it just isnt nearly as satisfying as hunting. And i'm not about to take up golf as a replacement. well, I'd try it if it involved a golfball cannon, but it still wouldnt replace hunting.

You're just a gun nut.

Greybeard wrote: I recently had a CHL guy in the tow truck/repo business tell me about providing all of his drivers with discreet little on-bod recording devices - and he requires them to activate them for all "public contacts". I know that most of us try to pack only bare-bones "necessities" when we go into the woods, but it sounds like ya might just want to drop by a Radio Shack before you go back out there ... Among other things, it might help with maintaining your best behavior.

I may be wrong, but I think recording someone w/o notification or consent is ETREMELY illegal. Like I said...I could be wrong.


-nick