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I generally agree with Hoppes here.

I understand the concept of letting the terrorists win by being paranoid and overly cautious and giving up our freedoms in the interest of security. Trust me, i completely understand that. Unregulated spying on civilians falls into that category for me. Not suspicious bags in public places. That's exactly what went BOOM over across the pond.

I'm sure the family members of those affected by that tragedy wish someone had stepped up and asked a security guard to check that person's backpack. If he had been ok then there would have never been a problem.

I think it's foolish to ignore activity that is "reasonably out of place or suspicious." The fact of the matter is it's not paranoia if there really ARE people out to get you, and there ARE. I also understand that "reasonable suspicion" can be abused to no end by law enforcement.

Curious and reasonable caution are A OK in my book and having a security guard politely ask that person what's in the bag after I've already left the area is very reasonable to me.

To some that might be considered overkill or paranoia or the terrorists winning, but i'm paranoid and alive in that situation and not sitting in the theater sweating that guy that has me freaked out.

I understand folks disagree with me, but that's what makes this country great. You can do that and not get shot! (usually)

pbandjelly wrote:now, if the guy gets up and LEAVES the backpack. be concerned.

hmmm, as I recall a lot of terrorists really don't have a problem blowing themselves up along with their intended targets.

Hoppes wrote:I did notify the theatre management and they didn't object to the guy carrying that back pack in the theatre. They didn't confront the guy at all.

Wow, crazy. I would follow up with a letter to management of the theater then.

jbenat wrote:Because you were worried about being paranoid you took a big gamble with your life, your daughter's life and the life of everyone it the theater. Before 9/11/01 I would have thought nothing of this but today I would be very suspicious. I think you should have notified theatre management and got out of the area until he was checked out.

I actually tend to agree with this. It's not paranoia if they really are out to get you, and 911 proved that to me. Not a thing in the world wrong with being reasonably concerned and suspicious.

I believe I would have left and informed mgt and security. There's no such thing as a stupid question and "does that shifty looking guy with a backpack have a bomb?" qualifies as a question.

heh, I honestly would never let someone know I was carrying. I like to keep a low profile unless I dont have another choice.

However, that being said. I do like to know what will happen if xyz happens. It's all about the WHAT IF game man. :)

seamusTX wrote:OK. Your question was cleverly ambiguous. Have you considered a career in law?

HA, ya, i have actually, but I apologize. That wasn't my intent at all. I should have phrased that more clearly.

well... that clears up a few things and you make very good points.

Thank you VERY much for taking the time to hold one of us newbs by the hand.

hmmm, if it's discernable... now see I would personally interpret that as obvious printing being illegal.

question #2 was if i was OUT of compliance if someone noticed... i think you meant to say "no". just wanted to clarify that though. assumptions on this subject are BAD.

makes more sense now that i know other states outright ban printing of any sort.

Hypothetically, if some nut went screaming that a CHLer had a gun but i was completely concealed and she just guessed it I might certainly be embarrassed, but will I be going to the pokey for failing to conceal because she guessed right or saw the strap on my rig?

quick question about this topic. i asked in my CHL class and got sort of a squirrelly answer that I don't recall at the moment.

If i'm carrying and it is concealed but someone guesses or pretty much otherwise knows (because they know what to look for) i'm carrying but i'm still in full concealment am I out of compliance? (pretty sure the answer is no)... and if not, why to CHL folks get so freaked when someone "outs" them?

It's also my understanding that informing someone that you are carrying is not in any way illegal so long as it is not in a threatening manner (but is probably still best to try and keep the info on the DL).

What does the LAW say about printing? I hear people just crazy concerned about printing. My CHL instructor said that in Texas you could print all you want and it didn't matter. So long as folks couldn't physically see the gun you were in compliance.

assuming the above is true that also begs the question that if i have a holster that completely conceals my weapon am I in compliance even if i'm wearing the holster in open view? Common sense says no, and i wouldn't do such a thing because folks get freaked out about that, but i'm curious as to how the LAW states things.

For instance, I wear a shoulder rig. IF someone sees that I'm wearing a rig but they don't see my gun or even my holster am I still in compliance?