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WTR wrote:Obviously not an ambush, or all would have been slaughtered immediately. They were given many opportunities to surrender and chose to escalate the confrontation

Did you read the entire investigative report? That's was quick.

As far as ambush, even the Sheriff in the neighboring county would disagree with you there, amongst many others...

Update with investigation records. Read carefully and then tell me this was not an ambush and that this incident was handled with diligence.

http://www.texasstatenews.net/lavoy-fin ... cords.html

mojo84 wrote:There is a difference between discrimination and persecution. You experienced discrimination as a result of affirmative action and it has absolutely nothing to do with what went on in Oregon.

It doesn't help to conflate issues just because one is upset and angry. Regardless how righteous the cause. Finicum brought it on himself.

Can persecution exist without discrimination?
Can discrimination exist in absence of persecution?

This is relevant to the discussion here because again I ask you, how in the world is it that black lives matter thugs can rape, loot and burn half a city down, throw Molotov cocktails at LE, shoot at LE, and much more and they get a pass while this patriot is killed like a animal and left to bleed out?
How is it that we leaflet ISIS before we shoot at them, but gun this man down like an animal.

He was on his way to meet Sheriff Palmer and other officials my friends.

And as far as Trump, when it comes to this sort of stuff, he and his ilk and all the federal cronies can go where sun don't shine as far as I'm concerned.
I am not a 100%'er following blindly. I do support him, but on this I only support the American Rights and Liberties.

I'm sorry to report, but white male Christians are indeed persecuted in this Country. This did not manifest with BO, but it certainly intensified in the last few years.

My personal taste of this was when about 9 years ago I tested for a FF position in one of the big departments here in DFW.
I had upper percentile civil service and physical agility test scores. My background was (and remains) spotless. I passed poly and medical, only to be rejected just before oral panel.
Naturally I was livid about this and I asked but got no definitive answer until I spoke to a lieutenant who worked with adjoining department in hiring process.
Do you know why I was rejected, as bluntly as I was told? Because they had too many white males, and due to Federal quota guidelines, they had to make room for OTW (other then white) candidates. That was my experience.

Now, nevermind I busted my tail, and scored/tested well. In other words, nevermind my merits. Nevermind the fact that I came to this country from a war torn region with nothing to my name, have earned my way thru life scrubbing toilet bowls literally to pay for college, walking for almost an entire year to and from work, 9 miles one way daily. Nevermind the fact that everything I've earned in this Country came from blood sweat and tears, as it should.
No, nevermind all of that. I am white male and I had to make room.

And now it's even worse with this monster in WH. You have classes being thought about "white priviledge", even in our military.
You have an all out assault on white Christian males, like we have some darn secret handshake, wink or a nod that grants us some entry somewhere where only whites need apply.

Yes my friends, there is a persecution of white Christian males, and it's very obvious.

Back to this topic, this white Christian male patriot was on his way to meet with officials, and despite what propaganda tells you, he was on his way to have this settled peacefully when they ambushed him deadman curve style and killed him.
Grant County Sherrif confirms this and more will come out in the weeks to come.

mojo84 wrote:I didn't say they did nothing wrong. I believe I acknowledged they made mistakes. Why only look at what the police did wrong?

Why would they release the tapes of they were covering up something?

It's all disappointing Mojo, I don't know...

I've seen black lives matter thugs burn half the city down and they were treated better.

I'm just fuming right now.

mojo84 wrote:I only watch the synchronized video once but I saw nothing that supports the allegations that he was "slaughtered", "murdered" or "executed". He had broken the law and was a fugitive. He was known to be armed and had repeated to the officers he would not be taken alive and challenged them to shoot him. He refused multiple demands to exit the vehicle. He evaded arrest by not stopping and then running. He didn't surrender or comply with commands once out of the vehicle. He thought he could demand and dictate how the situation was going to be handled. All that and many still want to blame the government, agents and officers. It just doesn't work that way in the real world.

As far as as the children in the vehicle, shame on him for endangering their lives like he did. This whole thing could have been avoided if they hadn't illegally taken over the building and if he hadn't evaded arrest. Whether or not we like it or agree, we have to acknowledge authority and comply at times. He brought this on himself even if some of the officers or agents did made mistakes.

I do not like or agree with the government/BLM on the land issues. However, even though the cause may be righteous, their means were not. Taking over and occupying a government building is not the right way to handle it and any 3rd grader or above should be able to predict that strategy is not going to end well.


http://www.oregonlive.com/oregon-stando ... stiga.html

He was on his way to peacefully talk with officials and this was unnecessary.

Grant County Sheriff backed up that this was an ambush, and he actually met with him before, these people were not the thugs they like you to believe.

These people were treated like dogs because they are white Christian patriots.

anygunanywhere wrote:WARNING: This video contains graphic footage.

Investigators release synced video of LaVoy Finicum traffic stop and shooting, March 8, 2016.
Courtesy Central Oregon Major Incident Team

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nw9sfuFGghY

Thank you for posting that video.

"BEND – An FBI agent is suspected of lying about firing twice at Robert "LaVoy" Finicium and may have gotten help from four other FBI agents in covering up afterward, authorities revealed Tuesday."

http://www.oregonlive.com/oregon-stando ... s_und.html

Bryanmc wrote:

Surgeon wrote: But make your own determination.

I'd prefer to see the medical examiner's determination before I make mine.

I understand that many posts, links, and analysis relevant to this event have not been promulgated and approved by the Federal powers to be, however, to discredit one without providing an substantive alternative does great disservice not only to the fallen, but to the citizens who are genuinely concerned about this.
in addition, this creates and propels further the distrust that so many have in the Feds.

I've spent 6 years in the war zone. I've seen combat operations, hostage situations, prisoner exchanges, dirty deals, clean deals, no deals etc. Stuff can get blurry quickly, I get it.
I have also seen SOP's for FF/EMT responses, contingency planning, public relation and legal dealings to name few. I know these can be very specific and very impractical at times, I get it.

As someone who has supported LE on all fronts, with family and friends in LE and military, as someone who loves this country and who wants to see us lift from this cloud of distrust created by this administration, I want to believe that my government officials did not act like mobsters here, to that extent, I and so many others, need people who are close and personal to the "inside" to offer a realistic, pragmatic opinion as to what the heck happened here.

I'm not alone on this. As stated earlier, every LE contact I have echoed that something isn't right here. We can start dissecting line by line the litany of discrepancies that We the People have been fed, but it appears that there is no interest in that (NOT isolating you or anyone else on here, but in general, propaganda is to hush it).
I get the caution flag for preemptive speculation, but, not discussing this at all feeds into distrust more each day.


Do you or anyone in this country want to live in a place where political dissidents are nixed like that? Could be me next, could be you, my children or yours... It's a rhetorical question.

I respect (as stated earlier) your service, and of course, I do not wish to jeopardize your pension over you expressing your opinion on this matter one way or another.

Just wanted to be clear that I am not just blowing hot air on here.

I am posting additional updates, since this dead Patriot cannot post for himself.

"The only reason he drove off was because he was being fired at so he drove off so he didn’t get shot. There’s two rounds in the top of his truck that they were able to photograph. That’s why he drove off and tried to get around there because he was afraid they were going to kill him. And he was right.”

The FBI’s claim is further called into question after seeing what Davis wrote on Facebook about the serial number. Apparently, members of the Pacific Patriots Network were able to run the serial number 54119868, and the weapon was stolen two years ago, so she believes it’s a plant."

http://www.americasfreedomfighters.com/ ... ge-oregon/

Sir, respectfully, given our current administration and the well documented list of recently botched operations by our federal alphabet soup agencies, I have a very low confidence in the accuracy of anything that they put out.

I'm not going to play the argument diversion game with you.

This forum is opinion based, and I stated exactly that, my opinion.

Now, please feel free to educate those of us who are outsiders to the federal LE on this topic. I really would like to know more about why this man was executed like this, why these officers broke cover, exposed themselves to crossfire, let the man bleed out for 10 minutes before they checked on him (they certainly didn't appear worried about the occupants of the vehicle as they broke their cover) etc.
I'm genuinely trying to make sense of this.

I respect and thank you for your service,however.

Welcome to the forum!

Bryanmc wrote:

parabelum wrote:Given the level of unprofessionalism by the "officers", breaking cover, jumping in front of the vehicle, exposing themselves to crossfire etc. I would not be surprised to learn these were BLM agents or some other stooges and NOT OSP or FBI. The way they handled this was so bad.

Actually, from what I've read from the press releases they were OSP. As someone who worked side by side with several BLM Special Agents and LEOs throughout the course of my career, I can only wonder what experience you have to refer to them as "stooges".

Please take time to read through all posts on this topic, on this and other sites, as well as countless discrepancies noted.

I'm done with this until I see more evidence, for now I stand firmly by what I've said.

Given the level of unprofessionalism by the "officers", breaking cover, jumping in front of the vehicle, exposing themselves to crossfire etc. I would not be surprised to learn these were BLM agents or some other stooges and NOT OSP or FBI. The way they handled this was so bad.

Shame on all of them for executing Patriot like an animal.

You ever consider the possibility that those idiots are perhaps staged for a different cause?
FBI has admitted that they have their agents amongst the militia so....

Now, since I did not see anyone else bring this up, but, look at the camera from FBI aircraft and the date, now look when this Patriot was executed. Yep, I'm sure there will be perfect answer sold to all good citizens.

Next, where did this Patriot "reach" allegedly versus where his gun was actually at?

BTW, where were the Feds with stun grenades in Furgeson or Baltimore as real thugs plundered, and assaulted citizens?
Where was this tactical response there?

You see, this isn't adding up. At all.

mojo84 wrote:I have not seen any label propagated by the feds. I came up with the armed fugitive label on my own based on what I've seen and read.

I do not rely on anti-government conspiracy theorists telling me what to think or believe.

That's fair enough.

Let me try to rephrase my thoughts on this.

Is this United States of America or Nazi Germany circa 1939?

Does private property mean anything to anyone anymore (we go back and forth all day over private property rights on this forum)?

Does a free citizen have a right to protect his property from Federal thievery?

Should a free citizen be intimidated to surrender his livelihood upon Federal demand? If not, then what resource can that citizen use when courts and Feds pile up, with little to no money to fight this battle in court?

What gives BLM the right to seize private land?

Finally, what is the purpose of the Second Amendment of the United States Constitution?


My fellow forum members, some of you know me, most do not. Some of you are much older and wiser then I am, others not so much.

Can you not see how desensitized people have become to tyranny?

Please, look up 'ol Martin Niemöller, look up Tytlers Cycle, look up BLM and foreign governments involvement into land grab, look at what they've done for decades, how many innocent people died directly or indirectly as result of this tyranny.

This man did not deserve to be put down like an animal. They have more patience and restraint with terrorist jihadis.

Very sad.