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We are dealing with an multidimensional enemy who is using and exploiting our own Constitution against us. They are doing it to the leftists appeasers, just as much as they are doing it to us.

Problem is, this pestilence has been imported like a sickness into this Nation several decades ago, and now it is metastasizing into a full blown pandemic.

One cannot look at the present solely through the lens of yesteryear. It may be that you had rights you no longer have, and which you may never get back, but, you also did not have a sitting US President who is openly playing for the other side and actively facilitating the spread of this disease. You didn't have hordes of Islamofascists who have been purposefully imported here with an agenda.

Took me a long time I confess but I see it clearly now. They WANT you to act. They WANT to provoke you.

Those who served in combat are now civilians and while they are gritty, the oppressor in WH understands that YOU love your family and that as a civilian, at the end of the day, if pushed, you will choose to stand down, for the sake of your family. That's my opinion.

Traitors have placed their bets that you not going to take up arms to defend your rights, and moreover, traitors have figured out that out of those that do, it will be a relative small % in numbers. A figure they can suppress rather easily, using your uprising as a justification to usurp whatever rights you are left with then.

You see, once the ball begins to roll you have no way of knowing which path it will take.

That is why I believe that NRA's / Trump's stance on this is the most reasonable for this time.

Sadist is almost out of office and he will attempt to elicit a response he's been waiting for almost 8 years.

Funny. I have spent 7 years in a civil war and I will tell you right now that 90%+ of folks who are machismo saying they will defend the right to keep and bear arms with their lives would turn them in with little grumbling if the military came to their doorstep and the choice was turn them in or face a shootout with your family there.
Not a dig at anyone, just a reality check. I've seen it before. Man with puffy chests on their knees begging to be spared. Not a pleasant thing to go through or witness.
What NRA is attempting to do, in my opinion, is to keep this from happening folks. It stinks and I don't like it, but that is what must be done until this Islamofascist garbage is driven out of our Country, that BO imported and continues to import.

I'm not OK with any form of gun control unless it's a careful aim at the target by the way.
I also realize that we have an issue if murderous pig who has been on a watchlist can not only get whatever gun he wants, which makes the rest of us look very bad, but he can also get a security clearance etc. That's an issue.


Then, I also see that an average blimp out there could care less about our 2A rights. Those working in office traps know exactly what I mean.
And from those who care about our 2A rights, what would you think is the % who would put their lives and the lives of their families on the line to defend that right in a bloody civil war?

So what can reasonable minds do to protect their 2A rights, without stepping into a civil war?

NRA has a very good solution, and my guess is that Trump will carry it through.

Reading some of the posts over the last few day makes me wonder if we have liberal plants in our ranks, aimed at bashing Trump and NRA in particular.
I'm getting really fed up with it frankly. You want to hand it to Hildebeast then just be upfront. Don't pretend to be pro 2A and post more about Trump or NRA this or that rather then how Hillary started the Arab Spring that brought about mass chaos, her corruption, criminality of her dealings as Sec. of State, Clinton Foundation ties to Saudi Wahabbi fanatics etc.

Go to Salon and post junk about Trump, NRA etc.

TXBO wrote:

parabelum wrote: I would be the last person to support this.
The scenario I tossed there was an effort to be cerebral and pragmatic about this.

There is no way I'm on board for this or any fascist government to yank rights from persons who have not had due process. Period.

Having said that, I'm also not on board with thousands of ISIS sympathizing pigs having uninhibited access to whatever arsenal they wish to acquire. It's a conundrum that's not as black and white as pro 2A/constitution or against.

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There's no pragmatism in suggesting that any gun law is going to inhibit a terrorist's access to weapons.

Did I say "any"? Are you onboard with unrestricted gun access to ISIS sympathizers? Can you propose a solution as I did in my prevous post, as flawed as it may be in many people's eyes?

suthdj wrote:

Charles L. Cotton wrote:

Donald Trump wrote:
I will be meeting with the NRA, who has endorsed me, about not allowing people on the terrorist watch list, or the no fly list, to buy guns.

— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) June 15, 2016

Above is what Trump allegedly said. Yet the Libertarian Republic (whatever the heck that is) titled the article "Donald Trump Just Flipped on Gun Control. Garbage, you lying Libertarian rag! Unfortunately, the OP here on the Forum titled this thread "Trump Supports Gun Ban for Fly/Terror List. That too is garbage! It's disgusting how "our" people will blast anti-gunners for using the same tactics used here. Do you smell that? That's the smell of credibility going up in smoke.

Anyone who believes the NRA is going to support this crap is in need of constant supervision. If Trump meets with the NRA, learns what the No Fly and/or Terrorist Watch List is, do you really think he's going to support it in direct opposition to the NRA? Get real people. He was asked a question in light of the slaughter in Orlando by a man the FBI has investigated twice. What do you think he's going to say! The Trump-haters are always looking for something to attack and you aren't going to use the Forum to do it. You're going to have to engage in your backdoor support of Hillary Clinton elsewhere.

Chas.

http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/nra-d ... le/2593977

Bingo.

locke_n_load wrote:

parabelum wrote:

locke_n_load wrote:http://thelibertarianrepublic.com/donal ... n-control/

Despicable but expected. Cruz wouldn't have supported this.

And I will officially renounce my lifetime NRA membership if they go along with this.

He said he will meet with NRA to discuss.

Let me ask, if you are in charge and you are approached by someone who is on watch list due to being an ISIS sympathizer who has not yet done anything to break the law per se but he/she wants to come in and buy a gun from you now, what would you do in all honesty?

Let me ask, are you ok with Americans having their rights stripped from them without the due process of law? Guilty until proven innocent?
You don't agree with the current administration, you get put on the secret list. You don't know you are on the list. You don't know who put you on the list. And you don't know how to get off of the list.
Secret Courts, McCarthyism, Salem Witch Trials, then the Terrorist and No Fly List. Pretty much all the same thing.

I would be the last person to support this.
The scenario I tossed there was an effort to be cerebral and pragmatic about this.

There is no way I'm on board for this or any fascist government to yank rights from persons who have not had due process. Period.

Having said that, I'm also not on board with thousands of ISIS sympathizing pigs having uninhibited access to whatever arsenal they wish to acquire. It's a conundrum that's not as black and white as pro 2A/constitution or against.

So again I ask, what would be the best realistic solution to this?

If it's me, I'd toss Jeh and BO and their ilk in the slammer, start surveillance in mosques just the way it was in NYC post 9/11 (sorry, this is about survival), increase selection on who is in charge of "the watch list" to include a coalition of NRA board members, investigate ACLU gang, and fast track the prosecution of persons know to have active ties to ISIS and other Islamofascist terror cells in particular.
What I wanted to see/hear is more ideas and less Trump bashing, no offense.

locke_n_load wrote:http://thelibertarianrepublic.com/donal ... n-control/

Despicable but expected. Cruz wouldn't have supported this.

And I will officially renounce my lifetime NRA membership if they go along with this.

He said he will meet with NRA to discuss.

Let me ask, if you are in charge and you are approached by someone who is on watch list due to being an ISIS sympathizer who has not yet done anything to break the law per se but he/she wants to come in and buy a gun from you now, what would you do in all honesty?