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by Hoodasnacks
Wed Apr 20, 2016 8:36 am
Forum: 2017 Legislative Wish List
Topic: 2017 Legislative Priorities
Replies: 200
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Re: 2017 Legislative Priorities

Pawpaw wrote:
Hoodasnacks wrote:Interesting, that would be a bad unintended consequence. Perhaps the answer is to create 2 classes of LTC, one for 18-21, the other for 21+. I wouldn't like any additional restrictions, but there are probably some that people could stomach to get it through (e.g. taking into account different juvenile behavior in the background check, additional forfeiture circumstances). The law should certainly be more narrowly tailored than just a 21 year old age cutoff. Imagine if a 20 year old didn't get 4th amendment protections....
CleverNickname wrote:The solution is to make two legally distinct types of LTCs. One would be for 18-20 year olds, and the other would be for >=21 year olds. Other states will be free to recognize none, one or both. Some states currently have tiered licenses (Idaho and Mississippi come to mind) and some other states only recognize the higher tiered license, so this just isn't theoretical.
Two different licenses would not work either. The other state will not rely on the police to determine which license is valid in that state. Instead, they will just deny all Texas licenses. The path of least resistance... for them.
Surely we have smart lawyers that can craft this in a way to make it work. You would just need to call it something different than what other states would refer to as a CHL.

Just thinking out loud:

I do 98% of my carrying in TX. I think I would sacrifice some reciprocity for the every day rights of fellow Texans. Also, at this point, are we only speculating that we lose some reciprocity? Maybe we only lose it from states we do not care about? I throw it out there just because it may be worth thinking through the details. If we are talking remote states like PA and WV, we can let them go...that would hurt much less of us than the 18+ rule would help.
by Hoodasnacks
Mon Apr 18, 2016 3:38 pm
Forum: 2017 Legislative Wish List
Topic: 2017 Legislative Priorities
Replies: 200
Views: 74542

Re: 2017 Legislative Priorities

Pawpaw wrote:
Hoodasnacks wrote:Lower on the priority list, but I'd like to see an 18+ requirement for LTC instead of 21. College campuses are not the safest of places (as we saw last week at UT), and most attendees are underage for LTC purposes. The girl that was killed last week was 18.

I know a 20 year old kid that was an eagle scout, served a 2-year mission abroad serving others, etc., that is about to start at A&M. The second amendment applies to him as much as to me. Seems like his rights are being infringed.
I agree with your reasoning, but disagree about lowering the minimum age. One "unintended consequence" of lowering the minimum age is that some states will no longer recognize a Texas LTC. That has already happened with one or two states, just because the minimum age for military is 18.

While everything you said about college campuses and students is correct (IMHO), the potential of losing reciprocity could harm even more people.
Interesting, that would be a bad unintended consequence. Perhaps the answer is to create 2 classes of LTC, one for 18-21, the other for 21+. I wouldn't like any additional restrictions, but there are probably some that people could stomach to get it through (e.g. taking into account different juvenile behavior in the background check, additional forfeiture circumstances). The law should certainly be more narrowly tailored than just a 21 year old age cutoff. Imagine if a 20 year old didn't get 4th amendment protections....
by Hoodasnacks
Sun Apr 17, 2016 10:11 pm
Forum: 2017 Legislative Wish List
Topic: 2017 Legislative Priorities
Replies: 200
Views: 74542

Re: 2017 Legislative Priorities

Lower on the priority list, but I'd like to see an 18+ requirement for LTC instead of 21. College campuses are not the safest of places (as we saw last week at UT), and most attendees are underage for LTC purposes. The girl that was killed last week was 18.

I know a 20 year old kid that was an eagle scout, served a 2-year mission abroad serving others, etc., that is about to start at A&M. The second amendment applies to him as much as to me. Seems like his rights are being infringed.

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