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Charles L. Cotton wrote:Here's a new version of what Mr. Horn said prompted him to shoot. I would like to point out that remembering things differently some time after a deadly force encounter is all too common and not necessarily an indication someone is lying. It also points out another risk in talking too much, whether to a dispatcher or anyone else. (Note, I'm not saying you should remain mute to the first responding officer, but that's been covered extensively in other threads.)

Chas.

http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/hea ... 30708.html

Nintao wrote:To say something for police response time:

I live in a relativly quite middleclass neighborhood in NE Dallas and about 2-3 years ago I remember hearing gunshots close to the house early one evening.

What I gather happened (from a neighbor who witnessed this) someone shot a few rounds out of a moving vehicle into an open field (now occupied with homes and a school). A couple of men came from another house obviously to investigate and were running up and down the streets armed with rifles.

My mother (lives across the street from me) called 911 3 times minimum telling the operator that there were people running up and down the streets armed. I am sure others would have called as well. We did not see a police unit for 20 minutes and trust me we WERE on the look out. This was before I owned a firearm, but I would not have used it unless I personally or I saw someone else was in danger.

There was no "unmarked" or "plain-clothes" officers detected either. Perhaps they didn't want to "rush" into a potentialy deadly senario, but where was the protecting and serving? With this in mind I would be more apt to protect my neighbors knowing the poor response time [abbreviated profanity deleted] the police in the above senario. I cannot say I would have the same results of Mr Horn, but "Police are on the way" would not be a reasurance for me. I have lived on the same street my entire 31 years and have known some of my neighbors my entire life.

DoubleActionCHL wrote:

Frost wrote:

The fact that they were both shot in the chest...

Is this true?

Sorry. I was half right. According to the Houston Barnacle:

Both men were shot once at a range of less than 15 feet with blasts from a 12-guage shotgun.

The neighbor fired twice. One shot struck one of the suspected burglars in the chest, and the other was struck on the side.

DoubleActionCHL wrote:

frankie_the_yankee wrote:If they ran away, I personally would not have shot them. If they ran towards him, shooting them would be much easier to justify.

The fact that they were both shot in the chest should give us some clues as to which way they were 'running'.

Stupid wrote:In the culture I am from, vigilants (not sure the exactly same meaning) are highly praised and decorated by society and law enforcement. From our education since kindergarten, we have been taught to be brave and to stand up to the bad guys. In the country I am from, this guy would get a medal, seriously.

It is very unnatural for me to hear some American say "oh, they want to rob a gas station, none of my business." Well, I think mentality like this is the root cause of the high crime. The law, the media, the whole society discourage any heroic behavior and encourage the criminals, which is very disturbing. In my country, criminals, who have violated other people's rights first, get no right.

Since I cannot change the law here, I am going to do what DoubleActionCHL said "I'd rather put the money into defending this American than housing and feeding criminals."

TxBlonde wrote:Some things of sentimental value can not replaced in anyway. We do not know what these BG's had stolen. There is always two sides to every story. And we will probably NEVER know the othere because they are DEAD.

At 3:28 and on he said they were on their way it did not say they were there.

I found it at http://abclocal.go.com/ktrk/story?secti ... id=5538780. They were not there before that. Sounds like he went out the front door and shot them.

If I am going to go see which way they were going I am not going to outside with out my gun. And he did say in the begining they had a crowbar.

We all can sit here and say what we would do in a situation, but to be honest no one knows what they would do until they are faced with it.

And if the BG's were not found in the back or front yard of the house that was being robbed. That means they were still trying to get away after the guy shot them.

From a medical stand point if they would have not ran off they might have been able to saved. When you run, your heart beats faster then if you just layed there.

What if the guy that was being robbed did not have insurance? Some things can not replaced. We can analyze this till we all die.

You break in to my house you have just put me and my children's safety in danger. Oh by the way. People do not always need a weapon to kill somebody. Don't believe me talk to the people that have been choked to death with someone's bare hands. Oh yeah you can't they are dead.

IMO I am not going to wait till they have there hands around my throat or my childs before I shot them. The first movement you make towards me or my children, you will be leaving my house in a body bag. I would rather sit in prison and know my family is safe then wonder the What If's.

stevie_d_64 wrote:The local news this morning had a short bit that focused on our buddy Quannel X getting his weekly dose of attention...

Him and his ilk stood in front of Mr. Horns house and had a press conference basically wondering where the investigation and proceedings were going???

They know exactly what is going on, and they obviously want to flame this up as much as they can...

Pathetic!