Ignorance probably. They probably wanted a 30.05 but don’t know the difference.austin-tatious wrote: ↑Wed Oct 13, 2021 6:44 pm I was at the Lincoln dealer in Marble Falls yesterday and was surprised to see a 46.03 sign. Previously the dealership had no
30.06, 30.07, or 30.05. Naturally I walked past the 46.03 sign with my concealed handgun. A car dealership obviously is not a prohibited location. Posting it at the dealership does not stop anyone from legally carrying open or concealed. So, what's their reason?
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- Wed Oct 13, 2021 7:18 pm
- Forum: General Texas CHL Discussion
- Topic: OK what is a 46.03 sign?
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- Sun Aug 22, 2021 4:07 pm
- Forum: General Texas CHL Discussion
- Topic: OK what is a 46.03 sign?
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Unfortunately this debate and hundreds more are raging across many forums, discussion groups and more across the state. I read somewhere that due to the poorly written law it most likely have to be straitened out and redefined in a court room. And probably with some poor fella who decided to carry in a posted location. The advice I’m giving to students is to err on the side of caution.
- Sun Aug 22, 2021 1:12 pm
- Forum: General Texas CHL Discussion
- Topic: OK what is a 46.03 sign?
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There is no contention.... I.E No argument.... 30.05 under criminal trespass. Effective notice (and I don't have the new text under HB 1927). 30.05 or gun buster sign is legal when not carrying under the authority of LTC... 30.06 / 07 are the actual only signs that must meet a legal definition under LTC, whereas 51% and 46.03 apply to both... 30.05 and gun buster apply to C carry only... read the US law shield publication.. Their attorneys and multiple others out there who are much smarter than me agree that gun buster signs are effective and legal notice for C Carry.ScottDLS wrote: ↑Sun Aug 22, 2021 12:57 pmWhat section of TXPC 30.05 supports that contention?Tex1961 wrote: ↑Sun Aug 22, 2021 12:52 pmWhat contention, it’s pretty black and white for non LTC.. Gun buster signs are effective notice under C carry.ScottDLS wrote: ↑Sun Aug 22, 2021 12:46 pmThat and the contention that a Beretta silhouette with a circle and a slash constitutes effective notice under 30.05. Lawyers being lawyers, especially since they have prepaid legal services offerings and it is in their interest to dissuade you from being the proverbial "test case".powerboatr wrote: ↑Sun Aug 22, 2021 12:29 pm double down on a GREAT presentation in this document.
my wife was up until after 4 am reading and re-reading and writing down questions.
we have had numerous hours this morning on the merits and rules plus the LTC of which i have.
its a fantastic little teaching document and my household is very very thankful it was put together.
really like the references that make it easier to go read the law to further help guide the brain
i did find the chart to be odd in regards to signage and how the law makes its seem funny, if posted one way then only unlicensed holders are allowed
- Sun Aug 22, 2021 12:52 pm
- Forum: General Texas CHL Discussion
- Topic: OK what is a 46.03 sign?
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Re: OK what is a 46.03 sign?
What contention, it’s pretty black and white for non LTC.. Gun buster signs are effective notice under C carry.ScottDLS wrote: ↑Sun Aug 22, 2021 12:46 pmThat and the contention that a Beretta silhouette with a circle and a slash constitutes effective notice under 30.05. Lawyers being lawyers, especially since they have prepaid legal services offerings and it is in their interest to dissuade you from being the proverbial "test case".powerboatr wrote: ↑Sun Aug 22, 2021 12:29 pm double down on a GREAT presentation in this document.
my wife was up until after 4 am reading and re-reading and writing down questions.
we have had numerous hours this morning on the merits and rules plus the LTC of which i have.
its a fantastic little teaching document and my household is very very thankful it was put together.
really like the references that make it easier to go read the law to further help guide the brain
i did find the chart to be odd in regards to signage and how the law makes its seem funny, if posted one way then only unlicensed holders are allowed
- Sun Aug 22, 2021 9:55 am
- Forum: General Texas CHL Discussion
- Topic: OK what is a 46.03 sign?
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Re: OK what is a 46.03 sign?
Excaliber wrote: ↑Sun Aug 22, 2021 9:05 am That is a very well put together guide and is clear even for those not used to reading legalese.
Giving it a read could keep folks out of trouble they could easily get into with all the law changes grouped under the title of "constitutional carry." There are a bunch of them.
An important note is that obtaining and maintaining an LTC is still very worthwhile and carries significant privileges and benefits not available to those without an LTC. Example: if you forget a handgun in your carryon bag at the airport security checkpoint, an LTC holder gets the opportunity for a "do over" and can leave and secure his gun somewhere before going through again. A non-LTC holder goes right into cuffs for a felony.
I’ve had some VERY frank conversations with about 1/2 dozen or more young gentleman of African decent. We talked about the different perceptions of police towards those with LTC and those that don’t have a LTC, especially related to skin color. I see a lot of head nods, light bulbs going on, etc. I’ve had several thank you’s and possible new students.
- Sat Aug 21, 2021 6:51 pm
- Forum: General Texas CHL Discussion
- Topic: OK what is a 46.03 sign?
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Correct, will be interesting to see how many will get caught carrying in restricted places after 9/1howdy wrote: ↑Sat Aug 21, 2021 6:23 pm The places putting up the 46:03 signs DO NOT need to put up signs to ban licensed and unlicensed carry. These places are no carry by statute. (Schools, race tracks, polling places, etc.) I believe they might put them up to inform the unlicensed not to carry there.
- Sat Aug 21, 2021 4:07 pm
- Forum: General Texas CHL Discussion
- Topic: OK what is a 46.03 sign?
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Re: OK what is a 46.03 sign?
46.03 is for prohibited places such as schools, racetrack, airports. Where is this taken. Lots of new businesses will probably mistakenly post 46.03 instead of 30.05.
Does this affect your LTC. Good question. Legally no if incorrectly posted, but (there is always a but). By the spirit of the law they don’t want you carrying a firearm in their location. But if you are concealed and LTC then it’s not really effective notice. An owner, employee or agent must give you written or oral notice to leave. Unless of course it’s a prohibited location then it’s a NO GO Location.
Does this affect your LTC. Good question. Legally no if incorrectly posted, but (there is always a but). By the spirit of the law they don’t want you carrying a firearm in their location. But if you are concealed and LTC then it’s not really effective notice. An owner, employee or agent must give you written or oral notice to leave. Unless of course it’s a prohibited location then it’s a NO GO Location.