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by WildRose
Thu Aug 30, 2018 2:09 am
Forum: General Texas CHL Discussion
Topic: Collapsible Baton-Legal to Carry in Texas
Replies: 94
Views: 78662

Re: Collapsible Baton-Legal to Carry in Texas

ScottDLS wrote: Sat Aug 18, 2018 7:11 pm
philip964 wrote: Sat Aug 18, 2018 6:38 pm You tube had a convienence store clerk unload bear spray on two robbers at close range.

It was probably even bad for the clerk with the bounce back.

I think it’s like $50 on Amazon.
But isn't that an illegal "chemical dispensing device"?.... :smilelol5:
Not if it is labeled for "bear spray" and in the large container. I'd have to look but I think the limit is 8 oz. Anything that size or smaller is considered a weapon. I could be wrong on the size but it's a minimum rather than maximum.

It's also one of those things where the circumstances and the cop investigating is going to make all the difference in the world. Even if you are perfectly fine under the letter of the law you can still end up arrested and charged and having to defend yourself under the wrong circumstances.
by WildRose
Thu Aug 30, 2018 2:06 am
Forum: General Texas CHL Discussion
Topic: Collapsible Baton-Legal to Carry in Texas
Replies: 94
Views: 78662

Re: Collapsible Baton-Legal to Carry in Texas

Flightmare wrote: Wed Aug 29, 2018 11:54 pm
WildRose wrote: Wed Aug 29, 2018 11:47 pm
The_Vigilante wrote: Wed Feb 11, 2009 2:02 pm Let's see, I can carry a firearm which can inflict a lot more damage than a baton, billy club, etc. Why not a baton? Wouldn't it be preferrable to use a baton to defend yourself in cases where a gun wouldn't be an option? No loss of life! Wonder what the reasoning is on the restrictions of batons?
As much as I love this state we have had some of the dumbest weapons laws in the country for decades. Our knife laws until recently amended were an abomination.

With respect to clubs, blackjacks, etc the reasons behind the prohibitions are understandable, they wanted to limit as much as possible the ability of gangs and individual criminals to legally possess such weapons on the street.

In reality, the net effect is that it makes the law abiding citizen less safe and gives criminals an advantage since it isn't they who are inclined to follow the law.

For decades "officer discretion" took care of the problem. The law existed to get them an excuse to hold someone for investigation on the violation if they suspected them of something else but "Joe or Jose' Good citizen" would be treated with a wink and a nod.

With all the discrimination lawsuits of the last few decades much of that discretion is simply gone and cops are in a no win situation.

I've written the governor, legislature, and individuals in the gov't several times suggesting these laws need to be repealed and reviewed but so far, there's just not enough political will behind it.

In truth, all that would be necessary to have the desired deterrent effect while still allowing more less than lethal options for lawful self defense would be to simply amend the existing laws making possession of any of those weapons a felony or even aggravated felony during the commission of a crime and lawful for all others.
I've been discussing this with friends lately. Even the "cat keychain" that was an attempt at getting around the "brass knuckles" rule is silly. Owning or possessing the object should not be what is illegal. Committing the crime of assault (whether with an object or bare-handed) is already a crime. I would be okay with an enhancement to the crime for using an object to commit a crime, but not for owning or possessing an object.
I may have been unclear but that's exactly the same position I'm endorsing. Unless you're legally ineligible to posses a "weapon" of any kind, the mere possession should never be even a civil violation much less a criminal violation.

Possession while committing any felony being criminalized would be the only circumstance I think in which it should be illegal. In that case it's the predicate crime being committed that makes what follows or accompanies it's omission illegal.
by WildRose
Wed Aug 29, 2018 11:47 pm
Forum: General Texas CHL Discussion
Topic: Collapsible Baton-Legal to Carry in Texas
Replies: 94
Views: 78662

Re: Collapsible Baton-Legal to Carry in Texas

The_Vigilante wrote: Wed Feb 11, 2009 2:02 pm Let's see, I can carry a firearm which can inflict a lot more damage than a baton, billy club, etc. Why not a baton? Wouldn't it be preferrable to use a baton to defend yourself in cases where a gun wouldn't be an option? No loss of life! Wonder what the reasoning is on the restrictions of batons?
As much as I love this state we have had some of the dumbest weapons laws in the country for decades. Our knife laws until recently amended were an abomination.

With respect to clubs, blackjacks, etc the reasons behind the prohibitions are understandable, they wanted to limit as much as possible the ability of gangs and individual criminals to legally possess such weapons on the street.

In reality, the net effect is that it makes the law abiding citizen less safe and gives criminals an advantage since it isn't they who are inclined to follow the law.

For decades "officer discretion" took care of the problem. The law existed to get them an excuse to hold someone for investigation on the violation if they suspected them of something else but "Joe or Jose' Good citizen" would be treated with a wink and a nod.

With all the discrimination lawsuits of the last few decades much of that discretion is simply gone and cops are in a no win situation.

I've written the governor, legislature, and individuals in the gov't several times suggesting these laws need to be repealed and reviewed but so far, there's just not enough political will behind it.

In truth, all that would be necessary to have the desired deterrent effect while still allowing more less than lethal options for lawful self defense would be to simply amend the existing laws making possession of any of those weapons a felony or even aggravated felony during the commission of a crime and lawful for all others.

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